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US Intel Confirms Failure of GWOT

Thousands of American lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, injured or relocated, American politics straining at the seams, and now it's confirmed -- President Bush's prosecution of the Global War on Terror has failed.

The terrorist network responsible for 9/11 is just as strong as they've ever been.

al-Qaida Has Rebuilt, U.S. Intel Warns

U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded al-Qaida has rebuilt its operating capability to a level not seen since just before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, The Associated Press has learned.

The conclusion suggests that the network that launched the most devastating terror attack on the United States has been able to regroup along the Afghan-Pakistani border despite nearly six years of bombings, war and other tactics aimed at crippling it.

Still, numerous government officials say they know of no specific, credible threat of a new attack on U.S. soil.

A counterterrorism official familiar with a five-page summary of the new government threat assessment called it a stark appraisal to be discussed at the White House on Thursday as part of a broader meeting on an upcoming National Intelligence Estimate.

The official and others spoke on condition of anonymity because the secret report remains classified.

What a tragedy; what an absolute, unmitigated tragedy.

Flashback: Larkin, 10 weeks ago:

These are dark days for the war on terror. Al Qaeda has reconstituted operations in Pakistan and is stronger than ever. The Taliban are resurgent in Afghanistan where the Karzai regime looks increasingly shaky. Al Qaeda has established a new base of operations in Iraq thanks to the chaos and instability created in that country by the fall of the Hussein regime. Bin Laden's strategy of drawing the US into unwinnable wars in the Muslim world has worked perfectly. We find ourselves bogged down in both Iraq and Afghanistan as Al Qaeda portrays our efforts in both countries as a war against Islam inspiring young Muslim men around the world (and in this country) to take up the cause.

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Paul Hamilton:

It really is. We're so busy looking for al Qaeda where they aren't that we've given them complete freedom to re-build where they are.

But when's the last time you heard a word about increasing our troop strength in Afghanistan?

bryanD:

This should be really crushing news to the "we're THERE so They aren't HERE" crowd, ie. neocons, chickenhawks, RNC drones, and warbloggers (a cocktail of two or more, always).
After all, OBL supposedly directed everything from his dialysis machine in Afghanistan, and it IS a small world (after all). 1:100 roach count, seen:unseen?
And our borders are STILL wide open.
As Jayson "the Glib" Javitz would say: "Go figure!"

I call "shenanigans" on the GWOT.

kim:

Hey, last I heard al-Qaeda was threatening war against Iran and Pakistan. Well, they have a nice base between them.

We should thank the Pakis and the Persians for doing a job Americans don't want to do anymore.
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engineer:

"The official and others spoke on condition of anonymity because the secret report remains classified."

Find out who these people are and throw they butts in jail for breaking the law!

And isn't it interesting that these leaks are always from classified documents from anonymous source so that they can't be checked.

My anonymous sources tell me that classified doucments prove that JFK wasn't assassinated, but staged the entire event so that he and Marilyn could go live happily ever after....

bryanD:

"I call "shenanigans" on the GWOT"

Sorry for the South Park reference (if you caught it).

Wildly uneven show, though sometimes brilliant, but still...

*so ashamed*


bryanD:

"My anonymous sources tell me that classified doucments prove that JFK wasn't assassinated, but staged the entire event so that he and Marilyn could go live happily ever after....e"

Lee, great topic! I see at LEAST 50 comments!

kim==Quit hatin' on the Persians (in your passive-aggressive oblique way! They kick ass AND their wimmen ain't ugly like Iraqi wimmen is!)

kim:

Love the Persians, hate the Mullahs. Well, the crazy ones.
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bryanD:

"Love the Persians, hate the Mullahs. Well, the crazy ones.==kim"

I'm a Republican and I hate Cheney. Craziness would be a mitigating factor, but he's razor sane, thus my Hate Speech.

George? I measure my words there. Baby in mommy's high heels. We're the high heels.

mantis:

Come on guys, you know that Al Qaeda is only strong because the Democrats are emboldening them?

All terrorists get their motivation from a bunch of witless, ineffectual politicians, several thousand miles away.

Lee Ward:

"We should thank the Pakis and the Persians for doing a job Americans don't want to do anymore"

Absolutely. And what a terrible price they're paying.

Lee Ward:

Come on guys, you know that Al Qaeda is only strong because the Democrats are emboldening them?

Honey, does hot coffee stain your keyboard?

All terrorists get their motivation from a bunch of witless, ineffectual politicians, several thousand miles away.

Two for two!

Heralder:
The conclusion suggests that the network that launched the most devastating terror attack on the United States has been able to regroup along the Afghan-Pakistani border despite nearly six years of bombings, war and other tactics aimed at crippling it.

Fear mongering! Tell me, how is it acceptable for governemnt officials to give doomsday reports to the AP on based on classified information, but it's reprehensible for Chertoff to give his personal opinion on a matter during a legal interview?

What a tragedy; what an absolute, unmitigated tragedy.

Despite your verbage, somehow I still get the feeling you're satisfied. As much as you would like ti to be, this is not a "we told you so" moment.

When anonymous "U.S. intelligence analysts" speak to two AP writers about "classified secret reports" I don't take it with a grain of salt because it cannot be substantiated. Every source is anonymous and every document from which the information derived is classified.

We'll see what's said after the meeting mentioned in the report.

Heralder:

"I take it with a grain of salt", was how that was supposed to read. Last minute sentence structure changes betrayed me again!

Lee Ward:

"Tell me, how is it acceptable for governemnt officials to give doomsday reports to the AP on based on classified information, but it's reprehensible for Chertoff to give his personal opinion on a matter during a legal interview?"

The former is based on intelligence-gathering and research, the latter is based on a gut feeling that even President Bush said was weightless and without any factual basis.

That was a trick question, right?

Heralder:
The former is based on intelligence-gathering and research,

It is? Where's the intelligence and who is researching it, and who is reporting it to the press?

Lee Ward:

"It is? Where's the intelligence and who is researching it, and who is reporting it to the press?"

This reports cites unnamed sources because the report is classified. Lt. Gen. Michael Maples signaled this strongly 10 weeks ago (see Flashback link above -- added to the bottom of the post).

Heralder:

I've made moy point about it. Everyone giving the information is anonymous and the information is derived from classified "secret" documents. 2 AP reporters "broke" this "story".

The above conditions are enough for me to discount it and wait for an actual report.

As for Lt. Gen. Michael Maples and his 'signalling', fair enough...I'm more inclined to listen to people on the ground, and I'll read through what he had to say.

Another question (sorry for all the questions but this is important)

Does the idea of anonymous "U.S. intelligence analysts" illegally talking to the press about "classified information" bother anyone here in the least?

Heralder:

Let me go ahead and apologize now for all my typos. Sloppy typing today.

Does the idea of anonymous "U.S. intelligence analysts" illegally talking to the press about "classified information" bother anyone here in the least?

Not so much. If Bush & Co. were honest about the GWOT & Iraq in the first place then it wouldn't be necessary to learn of these reports using anonymous sources.

Also, I notice you don't challenge the report's conclusions. Do you believe that Al Qaeda has rebuilt its capabilities to its 9/11 level?

Heralder:

Blue:

Not so much. If Bush & Co. were honest about the GWOT & Iraq in the first place then it wouldn't be necessary to learn of these reports using anonymous sources.

Convenient. Someone was hiding or lying about the information? Who? When? What does the term classified mean to you and why are things made classified? What use is a classified report about al-Qaeda to you? It's a double standard, Blue.

It a shame that Larkin and Lee have tried to crucify Chertoff for his honesty.

Also, I notice you don't challenge the report's conclusions. Do you believe that Al Qaeda has rebuilt its capabilities to its 9/11 level?

Here's what I said about it:

"The above conditions are enough for me to discount it and wait for an actual report."

kim:

This explains Zawahiri bewailing young mens' desire to not die, and threatening war against Iran and Pakistan? There may be a little more to this than meets the eye. Pre 9/11, al-Qaeda had state support; do they now? Then how can they be rebuilt to that capability, now? Get real, here.

Pakistan is a problem. Look at the Red Mosque.
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Lee Ward:

"Let me go ahead and apologize now for all my typos. Sloppy typing today."

If it really bothers you I'm willing to go in and spell check and correct your comments. That's weird for a moderator to do, I admit - but if it saves you embarrassment and in turn keeps you around to comment more, hey - no problemo. As a sloppy typist myself, I'm sympathetic. The auto-spell check feature on Firefox is a great help to me.

Lee Ward:

"It a shame that Larkin and Lee have tried to crucify Chertoff for his honesty."

I just want Chertoff to do his fricking job. Issuing irresponsible warnings that even his boss feels compelled to moderate is pretty damned irresponsible.

Heralder:

Thanks Lee,

No it's not necessary for you to have to go through my stuff, that's just a pain in the ass though I appreciate the sentiment.

I only get embarrassed over it when I actually mispell something rather than mistype it.

I take a break from Blue from time to time because it's alot of effort at times and I just lacked the energy. I'm still avoiding election stuff though!

Lee Ward:

We'll have to put together a [-election stuff] filter for you then...

Heralder:

lol...no need. The recent posts section is sufficient.

kim:

Bush just said this report is not true. Who leaked it, or did the press just make it up.

Clarice has noted a common MSM tactic, which is to characterize falsely a report before it has come out, then ignore the truth when it shows up.

You are buying their narrative, and it is collapsing.

Joe Wilson admitted under oath that he disclosed classified information to Pincus. He also tried to justify it by saying that he had talked to members of the House and Senate Intelligence committees before he disclosed.

What do you say, Jay Rockefeller? How about you, John Kerry? You were both at the May '03 Democratic Policy Committee meeting with Joe.
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Convenient. Someone was hiding or lying about the information? Who? When? What does the term classified mean to you and why are things made classified? What use is a classified report about al-Qaeda to you? It's a double standard, Blue.

Bush & Co. have been saying all along that Al Qaeda is getting weaker and we are safer because we are taking the fight to the terrorists in Iraq. Does any of that sound familiar?

Heralder:

Blue:

Bush & Co. have been saying all along that Al Qaeda is getting weaker and we are safer because we are taking the fight to the terrorists in Iraq. Does any of that sound familiar?

Indeed it does sound familiar.

Kim:

Bush just said this report is not true.

Can you link for me and Blue?

kim:

End of his press conference. He was pissed.
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Blue Neponset[TypeKey Profile Page]:

Heralder,

I think your point renders down to the fact that you trust the Gov't more than the press in this case. Some of us feel the opposite way.

kim:

Your press, BN, is either making it up, or getting someone to leak falsehoods. Now that is a good one. How do you leak falsehoods?

I, at least, have a living breathing source. Whose name I can publish.
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I, at least, have a living breathing source. Whose name I can publish.

The press has a living breathing source too. They just can't publish his/her/their name(s).

Heralder:

Blue,

I think your point renders down to the fact that you trust the Gov't more than the press in this case. Some of us feel the opposite way.

I'm ok with that. Neither has an excellent track record with the truth.

If I were to guess who generally has my well being, or failing that at least the country's well being as a primary interest...I'd go with the government. The press has no such obligation or compunction.

kim:

They can't publish the name because the source is a criminal, divulging classified information which helps the enemy.

However, he didn't even tell the truth, which makes me think it is made up.

And you know, with the Fitzgerald precedents in place, that journalist could go to jail unless the source is divulged. I'm not sure I like that.
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