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In the GWOT, Defeating Republicans Comes First

While the White House hammada-hammadas over the recent revelation that the threat to the United States from al-Qaeda is as real and as strong as it was at the start of Bush's Global War Of On Terror, Democrats express their outrage over the fact that we are not any safer now than we were before Bush began his effort.

Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) said the current situation in Iraq "has helped to energize" al-Qaeda. "Changing our strategy in Iraq and narrowing our military mission to countering al-Qaeda terrorism -- as a bipartisan majority in the Senate now favors -- would be the single greatest thing we could do to undermine al-Qaeda's ability to use Iraq as a recruiting and propaganda tool fueling the growth of regional terrorist groups," he said in a statement.

Al-Qaeda's participation in the Iraqi violence has figured particularly heavily in recent administration arguments for a continued U.S. troop presence there, because White House strategists regard it as a politically salable reason for staying and continuing to fight.

Some terrorism analysts say Bush has used inflated rhetoric to depict al-Qaeda in Iraq as part of the same group of extremists that attacked the United States on Sept. 11 -- noting that the group did not exist until after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. These analysts say Bush also has overlooked the contribution that U.S. actions have made to the growth of al-Qaeda in Iraq, which has been described as kind of a franchise of the main al-Qaeda network headed by bin Laden.

Paul R. Pillar, a former CIA analyst who has been involved in previous intelligence estimates, said that the administration has correctly identified the danger posed by al-Qaeda in Iraq and that there are indeed links between the Iraq group and the larger international terrorist network. But he said the White House is drawing the wrong conclusion, and argued instead that it is the U.S. presence in Iraq that is fueling the terrorists' cause.

Additional reaction:

'Al Qaeda is stronger,' so says the report. The president disagrees but that's what the report says. You can't have it both ways," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

"After almost six years, awesome sacrifices by our brave men and women in uniform, and hundreds of billions of dollars spent, we are no safer than we were on 9/11," said Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, a 2008 Democratic presidential contender.

The NIE says Al Qaeda will try and use the contacts and abilities it has gained in Iraq to attack inside the U.S., and Democrats say that shows the war is at best a distraction.

"Al Qaeda has gotten stronger as a result of the policies of this administration, and they now are in Iraq where they were not in Iraq prior to the Iraq war," said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and sponsor of legislation to pull out all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by April 2008.

In the House, Democratic leaders said the findings bolster their push for Congress to adopt recommendations offered by the Sept. 11 commission in 2004. Earlier in the day, House leaders appointed conferees to go to negotiations with senators and hammer out differing versions of bills passed by both chambers earlier this year.

"What we are doing today will go a long ways towards refocusing this country and hopefully this administration on what the real deal is," said House Democratic Whip James Clyburn of South Carolina.

The NIE report shows that Al Qaeda "is reconstituting its threat to the United States, is as severe as it has ever been. So, it's upon us to get this legislation to the president before we adjourn ... to help America make itself more secure both at the ports of entry -- be it airport, cargo -- also for nuclear material," added House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel.

George W. Bush told this nation that the sacrifices we were making were necessary and needed in order to defeat what he called the forces of evil.

What utter bullshit. Bush has failed.

We should not wait until the inauguration in January, 2009 of a Democratic President to begin the process of really securing the homeland. Democrats should cautiously but deliberately move forward with their own initiatives, and begin the process of systematically securing our nation -- and let the President veto those efforts if he so chooses, and let the obstructionists Republicans in the Senate filibuster and block those efforts if they so choose as well.

If we're going to defeat those in those in this world who threaten our security and peace, it is obvious that we'll have to start that process by defeating the Republicans and their bungling efforts that are now preventing that from happening.


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Comments (30)

kim:

By Golly, there is such a thing a Islamic Radicalism. Why didn't the New York Times give me a clue? And why is the whole world getting rich?
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Heralder:

Lee:

Democrats express their outrage over the fact that we are not any safer now than we were before Bush began his effort.

Do Democrats express anything but outrage? You throw a wrench in every single gear of war, then complain that we're not safer? What a laugh. Like shooting yourself in the stomach and them complaining you have to go to the hospital.

Go on and quote a bunch of Democratic Senators saying shit like "we're no safer"...without realizing we haven't been attacked since we went on the offensive.

Stop the Democrats from creating a Climate of Fear to scare the population into voting for them!

Democrats should cautiously but deliberately move forward with their own initiatives, and begin the process of systematically securing our nation

If we just focus on universal healthcare they'll leave us alone right?

If we're going to defeat those in those in this world who threaten our security and peace, it is obvious that we'll have to start that process by defeating the Republicans and their bungling efforts that are now preventing that from happening.

What have the Democrats done so far?

Nothing. They've complained and whined, and not offered plans. They've critiqued and lied and switched sides. They've done everything in their power to undermine our side (that would be the American side) in this war. They've said there is no threat and it was all just fear mongering, now they're saying there is a threat and it's Bush's fault. And then they have the slimyness to try and not "own" the war.

It's a political platform for you guys, not a life and death situation.

And now, you have the audacity to sling mud at our armed forces by calling it a "War of Terror?" You've decided not to try and defeat terrorism, but Republicans. The terrorists will be overjoyed to see that Lee, really.


Lee Ward:

Get off your trojan high-horse, Heralder.I didn't do anything of the sort. I made it clear where the mud belongs...

Bush's Global War Of Terror
Heralder:

Lee,

Who is physically fighting this War of Terror?

Lee Ward:

"Who is physically fighting this War of Terror?"

The legions commanded by the Commander in Chief, President Bush.

Heralder:

Legions? This isn't ancient Rome. Unless of course you're referring to the biblical usage, in which case you're really out of line.

My point: by purposfully misnaming it a "War of Terror", you insult the men and women actually on the ground fighting. You think they would agree with your assertion that they're terrorizing the world at the behest of George Bush?

Shorter Heralder: If you guys just did what Bush wanted then everything would be O.K.

The Dems don't have the ability to stop Bush from doing anything in regard to Iraq. He has gotten everything he has asked for.

kim:

The Founders gave the Legislature the power to declare war and the Executive the power to make war for one simple reason; it is a Hell of a lot easier to get into a war than to get out of one.
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Lee Ward:

"My point: by purposefully misnaming it a "War of Terror", you insult the men and women actually on the ground fighting."

You obviously seem really intent on spinning it that way, but you're making it up. Our soldiers are following orders - and the buck stops at Bush.

Also - Bush's Global War Of Terror has many fronts, and not all of them are military skirmishes.

Keep trying, Heralder - if facts can't support your argument that President hasn't failed execute in the GWOT, then try really hard to shoot the messengers who are pointing out his failure, and accuse them of traitorous acts and of not supporting our troops.

Bankrupt and failed regimes are often reduced to such mudslinging, I'm just suprised you are reaching for this option so soon...

Republican Capitulation looms large on the horizon.

Heralder:

Blue:

Shorter Heralder: If you guys just did what Bush wanted then everything would be O.K.

An erroneous simplification of my post.

The Dems don't have the ability to stop Bush from doing anything in regard to Iraq. He has gotten everything he has asked for.

So first the Democrats got this "mandate" and now they don't have the power? The Democrats refuse to take the power because they're afraid of the responsibility of such. They don't want to take "ownership" of the conflict because it's just far to valuable as political leverage if it's not going perfectly.

Why do you think approval for congress is so low? The excuse given around these parts was that it was due to the Democrats not doing enough to oppose Bush. Well opposing Bush requires they take resonsibility for what happens in Iraq if they yank all the troops out prematurely and there's half a million deaths as a direct result.

Shorter: They see losing the war as a political benefit because they can blame a loss on the Republicans.


Heralder:

If I'm so wrong about my admonition of your phraseology, why don't you explain exactly what you mean by "War of Terror"

I didn't major in English, but that phrase to me means spreading terror through war.

So simply Lee, please explain your use of the phrase, then we can continue.

Our soldiers are following orders - and the buck stops at Bush.

Which is why I replied:

"You think they [our soldiers] would agree with your assertion that they're terrorizing the world at the behest of George Bush?"

Lee Ward:

I described what Bush is doing as a War Of Terror meaning he's using Terror to Fight Terror.

The War On Terror is a misnomer; it's nothing more than a public-relations catchphrase used by Bush to sell American people on the invasion of Iraq and the compromise of our Constitutional rights in favor of his monarchy.

But instead of accusing me of blaming the soldiers for Bush's failure, why don't you explain why al-Qaeda is back at full-strength after five years of Bush's GWOT.

Let me help -- it's Carter and Clinton's fault, right? Or was it Paris Hilton's fault? Or my fault - is it my fault because (you claim) I'm making it the soldiers' fault?

Am I 'enabling the enemy', Heralder? Come on, there are still lots of strawman arguments left to recycle - like it's the fault of the traitorous Democrats - that's the argument from the grade-school trolls over at Wizbang.

The good news is that you aren't denying the failure of Bush's GWOT, you're just trying to push the blame away from Bush.

"You think they [our soldiers] would agree with your assertion that they're terrorizing the world at the behest of George Bush?"

The anti-war sentiment of the soldiers on the ground in Iraq pretty much mirrors the US population in general, according to Senator Webb on last Sunday's Meet the Press, so my guess is that the percentage of soldiers who believe Bush is failing overall on the GWOT mirrors the general population as well.

Blue Neponset[TypeKey Profile Page]:

So first the Democrats got this "mandate" and now they don't have the power?

A mandate doesn't get you past a filibuster or a Presidential veto. The Dems just don't have enough people in the Senate to fulfill their mandate. That is why they are becoming more unpopular.

Shorter: They see losing the war as a political benefit because they can blame a loss on the Republicans.

I think most Democrats see the war as an American tragedy and want to end it as soon as possible. YMMV.

Heralder:

Lee:

I described what Bush is doing as a War Of Terror meaning he's using Terror to Fight Terror.

Thanks for the clarification. Now regretfully, I need to ask how President George Bush is "using Terror".

The War On Terror is a misnomer; it's nothing more than a public-relations catchphrase used by Bush to sell American people on the invasion of Iraq and the compromise of our Constitutional rights in favor of his monarchy.

Bee. Dee. Ess.

But instead of accusing me of blaming the soldiers for Bush's failure, why don't you explain why al-Qaeda is back at full-strength after five years of Bush's GWOT.

First why don't you explain how you came to that conclusion. It wouldn't be from those two reporters and their mysterious anonymous sources who talked about information in super-secret classified documents that was published in the UK would it?

We discussed that in that thread and I made my point about forming conclusions based on unsubstantiated information. You referred back to Larkin, who expounded on someone's opinion that was contained in a editorial from U.S. News and World report that cited "U.S. intelligence agencies".

Don't refer to the NIE report, it says no such thing. It comes to vague common sense conclusions such as: We assess they want to attack us.

You've been pumping thread after thread out over here celebrating that we've lost the Global War on Terror, and in Iraq, and I think you may well have convinced yourself. America loses, but the Democrats win (as long as we can pin it all on Bush) right?

The good news is that you aren't denying the failure of Bush's GWOT, you're just trying to push the blame away from Bush.

Haven't got around to it yet.

The anti-war sentiment of the soldiers on the ground in Iraq pretty much mirrors the US population in general, according to Senator Webb...

You mean the Democrat Senator Webb, who in no way would politically benefit from saying such a thing? And he cited which sources for this guess?


kim:

Of, on, about, bah; eliding pronouns is the sorriest sophistry.
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kim:

Only sorrier would be prepositions.
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kim:

Sorrier than sorriest? Cut the chai, kim, get back to the halfa cuppa.
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Lee Ward:

"You mean the Democrat Senator Webb, who in no way would politically benefit from saying such a thing? And he cited which sources for this guess?"

Yes, the traitorous, terrorist-loving Senator Webb said that, citing 'polls' (he wasn't specific which polls). Youre avoidance of the issues in favor of labeling it all the fault of anyone but the POTUS speaks volumes.

You still have not explained what evidence you believe supports your contention that my assessment that 'the Prez's GWOT is failing' is wrong. You're just convinced it's not Bush's fault, and we should believe you because... well, because Lee has BDS.

By your definition 70% of American voters have BDS, but let's not confuse the issues with meaningless fluffy diversions and distractions...

Whose fault is it this hour? and please report back after 3pm please with an update as to who's fault it is then...

Heralder:

Lee,

Yes, the traitorous, terrorist-loving Senator Webb said that, citing 'polls' (he wasn't specific which polls).

I said Democrat. Go ahead and put the other words up there, but don't try to attribute them to me.

You know how I feel about polls, especially when they may not even exist.

You still have not explained what evidence you believe supports your contention that my assessment that 'the Prez's GWOT is failing' is wrong.

When I have time I will. Though even a cursory check at Wizbang and other right wing sites who don't only count negatives into their conclusions might help as well.

By your definition 70% of American voters have BDS,

Nope. Unless you can prove that 70% of the population feels like: "The War On Terror is a misnomer; it's nothing more than a public-relations catchphrase used by Bush to sell American people on the invasion of Iraq and the compromise of our Constitutional rights in favor of his monarchy."

Whose fault is it this hour? and please report back after 3pm please with an update as to who's fault it is then...

Have I been grasping at names as to whos at fault? No.

Don't project other people's debating habits on to me.

I see that you're trying to place the onus on me to answer you something unrelated to what I said so you don't feel like you need to answer some of the questions I've asked, but you've avoided answering above. That's ok.


Heralder:

It's after 3 and I just thought I'd report back as requested to tell you that it's Ashlee Simpson's fault.

Also, I looked at my last paragraph and laughed:

"I see that you're trying to place the onus on me to answer you something unrelated to what I said so you don't feel like you need to answer some of the questions I've asked, but you've avoided answering above."

I don't think I've ever written anything so ridiculously unclear.

It's after 3 and I just thought I'd report back as requested to tell you that it's Ashlee Simpson's fault.

Finally something we can all agree upon. Why did it take so long?

Heralder:
Why did it take so long?

So many names to choose from!

Lee Ward:

I didn't realize that Bart's sister was politically involved. I guess that shows you that you just can't trust musicians, especially saxophone players.

"I see that you're trying to place the onus on me to answer you something unrelated to what I said so you don't feel like you need to answer some of the questions I've asked, but you've avoided answering above." -- "I don't think I've ever written anything so ridiculously unclear."

Congratulations - that means you're ready for your own blog!

Heralder:

Lee, you're thinking of Lisa Simpson, who is innocent.

Quite unlike Jessica Simpson's younger sister Ashlee, who according to Intelligence analysts speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed by quoting classifed documents that Simpson is a key operative in al Qaeda.

Numerous unnamed polls show that the public overwhelmingly agrees with this assessment.

There, I managed to segue it back into our discussion!

mantis:

Webb did cite his source, which was the New York Times (traitors!), but it was of "military members and their immediate families," not "the soldiers on the ground":

Among military members and their immediate families who responded to a national New York Times/CBS News poll in May, two-thirds said things were going badly, compared with just over half, about 53 percent, a year ago. Fewer than half of the families and military members said the United States did the right thing in invading Iraq. A year ago more than half held that view, according to the a similar poll taken last July. The May poll had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 7 percentage points.

FWIW

mantis:

Leave Lisa Simpson out of this!

Lee Ward:

Heralder - thanks -- my humor is perhaps a little too dry at times for text-based audiences, which is why I enjoy performing in front of live audiences so much.

btw, I'm playing at the "Leopard Lounge" at the Holiday Inn out at the four corners exit on Route 89 this weekend. Seven shows on Saturday, and mention Wizbang Blue for a free order of blue-cheese buffalo wings.

"Leave Lisa Simpson out of this!"

Mantis -- You DO remember what happened the last time we had a saxophone-playing president, right?

Heralder:

mantis:

FWIW

NM - but thanks!

Oh, and the disclaimer at the bottom of the Lisa Simpson site was great:

"Unless you think that politics as usual is lies and people misrepresenting themselves, in which case that's exactly what this is."

Lee,

and mention Wizbang Blue for a free order of blue-cheese buffalo wings.

I sense a trick. I mention Wizbang Blue and that's the go-word for 6 guys to drag me out back and beat the tar out of me with a frying pan...I'M ON TO YOU WARD!!!1!


Lee Ward:

heh.

Lee Ward:

Actually I'm okay with that -- when there are leftover wings i get to take them home. That just leaves more for me...


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