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Clinton Finally Goes Beyond the Pale

For the last two months, I have been silent on this blog, largely because of a major personal move from South America and partly from my feeling that Hillary Clinton, vastly overrated as a human being, was distorting the Democratic race...even on this blog, for a time. But lately, she is going so far, that even her most ardent supporters must be wondering if this woman comes from a different planet, in her dogged attempt to prove that 'winning is everything' for her.

Senator Clinton doesn`t seem to have that inner handbrake or tact, that most politicians, and human beings possess, that forbid them going into waters too deep for all but the most foolish or most wise. It is becoming clearer and clearer that Hillary is definitely of the former not latter, and she has gained little wisdom to go with her experience at the seat of power, earned mainly on her husband's coattails.

Like most politicians of the second order, she over-eggs almost every argument when 'pleading her case', and she lacks modesty or humility because she fears it would show weakness. She is a self-advertized incorrigible fighter; that is evident, not a diplomat or statesman or a stateswoman.

In the Michigan/Florida imbroglio she has been invoking her case to seat these delegations as a cause equal to the celebrated civil rights movement, even paralleling the Zimbabwe Democratic stugggle against the petty tyrant, murderous thug, Mugabe. This only serves to trivialize these landmark movements rather than strengthening her argument.

No one seems to have asked the question if the beauty contests, the non-binding Michigan and Florida primaries, were to count as full primaries, wouldn't that set the precedent that in future Presidential elections any state could set its rules or dates as it wished, without fear of censure or rebuke with backbone, from the Democratic National Committee? It doesn`t make any sense. Why bother even having a Rules Committee at all, or rules or even a national committee?

Yes, it is a pity the voters of Michigan and Florida did not have proper and timely representation, but that is the fault primarily of their delegate `jumped up` state leaders who insisted on thwarting the national leadership when they jump started their primaries, even when they knew what stiff sanctions would be leveled at them.

Now the second example, yesterday, her widely, viewed RFK assassination quote. I would say it is remarkably tasteless but because it is coming from Hillary, it is not so remarkable. Just a few days after Ted Kennedy was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor, she insinuates it is always possible that a leading candidate could be assassinated again, like Bobby Kennedy.

As I commented to Lee months ago, this may be very good reason for Obama, merely out of self-preservation, to deny her the veep spot on the ticket. Even if you don`t buy into the JFK (or Lincoln) conspiracy theories, Johnson as his conservative replacement must have been a factor in any thinking that went into that assassination.

If 'thinking about the unthinkable' is ultra vires (beyond the power), surely speaking about it is unspeakable, or at the very least a minefield- Hillary typically voted against the Senate banning landmines treaty- . She implies it is only the month of May, that 'these are early days', an Obama assassination and not the less lethal character type (it might be too late for that) can`t be yet completely ruled out.

Hillary is like one one so those unstoppable cinematic aliens. I can almost see Obama giving his acceptance speech on the podium in August, in Denver, when she suddenly bursts through his chest, grappling and clawing until the last agonizing moment.

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I really believe that Clinton's poorly received comment about RFK, was certainly yet another sign that this battle for the nomination has simply dragged out way too long. In the last few days, Clinton has used a variety of creative math formulas and other notions to justify her continued efforts, while Obama has moved close to about 50 delegates short of the nomination. I feel deeply sorry that Clinton reached for the painful RFK example as yet another creative example to justify her ongoing efforts. Certainly, I can understand the public upset over the use of such an example.

Probably Clinton doesn't represent the vision of change that Obama intends for his administration, so probably Clinton will not be seriously considered for a spot on the ticket anyway.

When Clinton came in third place in the Iowa caucus, it should have been a wakeup call for her campaign to better organize for all the other upcoming 18 caucus events. Her campaign instead managed to lose every caucus event except for a narrow win in Nevada because of weaker organization or strength among voters. And Clinton only won 19 primaries compared to 17 wins by Obama so far. With only 20 combined wins for Clinton compared to at least 30 wins for Obama and more total delegates it should be fairly clear to the Clinton campaign that she fairly lost the nomination. The majority will of the voters is pretty clear here.

Overall, Clinton is an effective senator for New York, and just because she narrowly lost the nomination for president doesn't mean that she cannot become a major leader in the Senate and powerful in that role. She needs to accept that reality. Not everyone who dreams of becoming president wins the office. Hubert Humphrey and many other good men fell short of that dream, but became respected major Senate figures.

I'm very happy to have you back, Steve. You're a great asset here at Wizbang Blue and were deeply missed by me and I'm sure many other readers.

Steve Crickmore:

Thanks, for the kind words, and to you and Lee for continuing to maintain our readership while I was away, with your very interesting and stimulating posts.

I`m back to doing a straight nine to five job, quite a change from lying on hammock in the middle of a Amazon river boat.

I recommend the latter as holding position for Hillary for a few weeks. It may not be so much that the marathon race is still going on, but that it started too early..over a year ago.

I can understand her now finishing, the last three primaries, in Puerto Rico, South Dakota and Montana, what she started in Iowa, even if she is broke.

I`m not sure though, how she justifies she has won the popular vote. She has to negate all Obama's non-popular vote caucus victories and include the Michigan vote where Obama received nil votes to arrive at that.

I admit I have never been pro-Hillary and ever since she went absolutely nuts.. again, when New York lost the Olympic bid in Singapore, when she went way over the top. Her reaction to losing, was so over the top, I realized that she could be dangerous, if placed in this sort of situation, again.

Yes, agreed about the future of some losing candidates. Al Gore certainly reinvented himself, better and stronger. Hillary could still do a lot and is a great advocate for causes.. just not when the cause alone is Hillary.

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

Clearly Clinton meant to say "anything can happen," and it's disturbing to see reaction such as yours, Steve, suggesting some deep, dark meaning behind the words.

In other words, your words harbor more hate and venom than hers did.

Sooner or later Obama supporters need to realize that they are not the only voters in this country, much less the only viewpoint in the Democratic Party. Clinton supporters are being pushed towards McCain increasingly, and attacks on Clinton such as yours, Steve, are only adding to the frustration and alienation of fellow Democrats, and only making matters worse.

Clinton supporters need to evaluate Obama on his merits, not yours, but its time for Obamatrons to lower the heat, and quit banging the drum over every single opportunistic word.

Barack Obama projects an air of aloofness and elitism. That aura is enhanced when his supporters bare their claws attempting to beat up Clinton every chance they get.

Steve Crickmore:

Lee, I think it was pretty tactless of her.. along with her threat to "obliterate Iran" comment . She has certainly shown a different side of feminism. We will see the fallout. I don`t imagine women over 50, her biggest supporters are too thrilled, over how she could say that with no caveat whatsoever, and not for the first time, talk rather baldly about RFK`s assassination and JFK`s for that matter.

Clinton campaign aides openly talk about a desperate "act of God" strategy. O`kay, but let me say, "As far as I know" she didn`t mean anything other the primaries used to go into June. Will that satisfy? Of course in those days in 1968 there were only 13 of them and they didn`t start till March.

Hillary can go as long as she wants to..to the convention in August, if she wants, to prove that she has left no stone unturned. Obama will probably end up paying for a large part of her campaign anyway, and she seems to want to submit or dictate terms to the presumed winner, Obama, before she drops out, and she has shown no inclination to compromise on the Michigan/Florida fiasco.

Actually, I think Clinton for the last couple of weeks, by staying in the race, has been effective and a good counter puncher against...McCain, as you suggested, in changing her tactics, following Indiana and North Carolina.

But my whole point on this post and followup comments was to underscore the fact that we have chosen the best Democrat candidate...and Hillary (to me) as ever unapolegetic, doesn`t have the requisite self-reserve or discretion to be leader of the free world.

I think you're seeing political battle fatigue set in. Consider these folks have been doing this for more than a year now without a break. Constant movement, unable to really tell where they are, trusting to their handlers to get them to the right place at the right time with the right briefings -

I actually feel sympathy for them. They've thrown themselves into this, heart and soul - and it's taking a bad toll on them as they fight it out to the end.

Steve Crickmore:

That`s probably true JLawson..but I'm not naive, either.

Let`s leave HRC alone for a moment, and I know that many political people can be ruthless.
I remember being shocked to learn from one of Kennedy`s assistants though second-hand (I was much younger) that LBJ`s people were almost beside themeselves with barely repressed delight on the return to Washington on Air Force One following JFK's death in Dallas, even while Jackie was aboard, with the realization that their man was now President.

I was watching a documentary on Roosevelt the other night and I was surprised how much he aged in the course of his presidency. How white can McCain`s hair get, but if the GOP want to nominate him that`s their business.

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

So long as Clinton and Obama are still battling it out, John McCain is relegated to third place in the news. That's an effective strategy to keep McCain from gaining traction, and there are definite signs it's working. McCain's fundraising efforts are tanking and that's why Bush is coming to his rescue on the fundraising front... which in turn further bonds Bush and McCain, another good benefit.

As soon as Clinton drops out, then John McCain immediately starts getting a lot more news coverage and 'air time' and gains the opportunity to start selling himself a lot more effectively.

I'm not suggesting that this is the reasoning behind Clinton's quest -- but it is a reason to back off from the calls for her to quit. As soon as she does quit... McCain benefits.

Jlawson - I agree. The fatigue factor must be enormous, and Clinton is clearly not holding up as well as Obama. Not sure if that speaks to their relative qualifications for office, but she's showing more signs of fatigue than he is these days.


The Obama campaign needs to grow some thick skin. Their hair trigger outrage is getting old and tiresome....probably for many Democrats. Hillary's comments (poorly articulated) were clearly meant in an historical context, but the Obama campaign reflexively reached for the outrage option. Obama's campaign needs some perspective (please) because they are coming across as whiners, complainers and thin skinned rookies that have some bizarre sense of entitlement. No wonder the Clintons, given the meat grinder they have survived, despise them.

Also, JLawson made a good point about fatigue; however, Obama is what, fourteen years younger than the sixty-one year old Clinton. And his gaffes have been just as prolific (and he was the first to blame it on fatigue early in the campaign).

Steve Crickmore:

I don`t recall Obama and his aides ever making a big point of asking Clinton to quit the race. It`s`s been the press. Speaking of skin, no wonder Obama supporters are sensitive that there may be a lot of code phrases going on. From a recent Newsweek article and poll:

18 percent of white Democratic voters say they judge the Illinois senator less favorably because of his name, compared to only 4 percent of white Democrats who say it makes them judge Obama more favorably..or...Asked to name Obama's faith, 58 percent of participants said Christian (the correct answer), compared with 11 percent who answered Muslim.

These are some of the voters Obama must try and win over..good luck to him.

Lee Ward:

There's a lot of stupidity going around, and paranoia is everywhere. But I don't think Obama will ever win over the racists, just as Clinton will never be able to win over misogynists. It comes with the 'ground-breaking'-ness of their respective positions in history. There's an opposite pole that is part of the territory when you break new ground.

The key for Obama is in not showing such disdain, aloofness and arrogance in the process of dissing other Democrats that he comes off like a pompous asshole, and drives those disillusioned Dems into the welcoming arms of John McBush.

It's okay if those Democrats get disillusioned enough to not vote - just don't piss them off enough that the go out and vote for McBush instead.

That seems to be the more difficult 'nut to crack' these days. Obama survived the last 'bitter' round but another display of pompous clingy arrogance could kill his candidacy for good.

Meanwhile back in the 'hood (not Hyde Park) Obama built a solid foundation across the board among black voters. He needs to nurture that relationship for all it's worth.

And he needs to do much better among Jews and Cubans - who hold the key to Florida. He has a HUGE problem among older Jewish Democrats in Florida that could lose the election for us (if you believe Florida matters, and it certainly has in the recent past).

He's been working on both of those demographics lately, but he still needs improvement. Last week he missed an opportunity to score points, in my view, by attacking Bush and McCain instead of explaining why his approach to the middle-east made more sense. He's really turned into a one-note Johnny, attack.. and attack and still hasn't learned to 'expose himself' on the issues.

Clinton attracted a lot of pissed-off social moderates (Reagan Democrats) who are fed up with Bush. Obama will never win them, just as she would never win the aforementioned misogynists, but the down-ticket needs those voters at the polls. Democratic misogynists will still vote Democratic. Pissed off blue dog democrats will go to McCain if not handled correctly.

Another reason for Obamatrons to quit attacking their fellow Democrats and start the healing process. Some seem to have not noticed that Obama has won the nomination, and or not realize that it's ok to quit throwing stones at their fellow Democrats now - he won.


Steve said,

"Speaking of skin"

are you referring to this?

"The Obama campaign needs to grow some thick skin."

There are no code words in my comment. Growing a "thick skin" is a well known idiomatic use of the language to convey the concept of deftly accepting and handling criticism. Are you such a stranger to the language, or are you grasping and reaching?

Steve Crickmore:

No, Hugh I wasn't thinking of thick skin being a code for anything other than than what you suggested. All political supporters could learn to be learn be more thick-skinned and by the same token, their candidates could develop more sensitivity. I thought Huckabee's joke about Obama ducking was way out of bounds,.. worse than Hillary's ill-tumed remark and McCain certainly should have reprimanded the questioner when she called Hillary a "b..tch'.

But getting back to the original Hillary comment, I suppose it depends on how listeners interpret what Hillary says. Anyway, as Lee says best to give her the benefit of doubt.. that it was a time reference... as Obama has done, for Democrats are going to need her and her supporters in the months ahead.


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