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A correction for David Letterman: Richard Cheney no more "put Halliburton in business" than Jeff Immelt put GE in business.
Halliburton was around long before Cheney ever entered politics. Letterman demonstrates an historical business perspective equal to that of, well, of a Hollywood celebrity. Zero.
1. Posted by HughS | June 14, 2008 8:50 AM
Posted on June 14, 2008 08:50
You're taking that line too literally. I think if you check the revenue growth for Haliburton you'll find that Cheney put them on the map in the years he was CEO and afterwards as VP.
I posted this because it's significant that the public discourse has become this vitriolic with respect to Republicans and Bush.
I mean... what he said is the kind of remark folks like me said a year ago -- and back then it was edgy - now it's mainstream.
2. Posted by Lee Ward
| June 14, 2008 9:58 AM
Posted on June 14, 2008 09:58
Haliburton was a relatively small defense contractor until the Defense Department, under guess who, awarded it a significant contract in 1992.
Cheney went on to become the CEO of Haliburton, and then vice-president and since Iraq, with the revolving door scenario, (whether he ever left Haliburton may be of question, appparently he he has still be in frequent touch with Haliburton as Vice President). Haliburton with its controversial no bid highly inflated contracts with little public accountability has seen its revuenue and profits quadruple.
3. Posted by Steve Crickmore | June 14, 2008 10:21 AM
Posted on June 14, 2008 10:21
"revenue growth for Haliburton you'll find that Cheney put them on the map in the years he was CEO and afterwards as VP"
I disagree Lee. Cheney was CEO 1995-2000. He expanded HAL by strategic acquisition and not organic growth. The largest and most material acqusition was Dresser (Dresser was a major player in oilfield services) in 1998. That acquisition complemented the Kellog aqcuisition from 1988 and was a reflection of overall consolidation in the oilfield services sector. Brown and Root was acquired in the 1960's. HAL was uniquely positioned to acquire significant market share when prices and exploration recovered from the 1980's and earlt 1990's. No other firm had the assets and resources to deploy and undertake such large projects as those now critized as the "no bid" contracts.
Steve, HAL is not a defense contractor as that term is commonly known. General Dynamics, Boeing, Lockheed, et al are defense contractors. HAL is an oilfield services company.
As to the revolving door, see this:
http://www.factcheck.org/kerry_ad_falsely_accuses_cheney_on_halliburton.html
Your point raises the matter of cause and e
4. Posted by HughS | June 14, 2008 7:33 PM
Posted on June 14, 2008 19:33
Here's a report on Halliburton's growth that documents Halliburton's huge growth after the Iraq War started.
Halliburton, to use wall street venacular, "made a killing" in Iraq.
The stock price for Halliburton was $10.06 on the day the Iraq War started. It closed on Friday at $48.14.
The Iraq War made a nice tidy profit for Cheney's company. No Wonder Cheney has been fighting and resisting efforts to end the war...
5. Posted by Lee Ward | June 15, 2008 9:28 AM
Posted on June 15, 2008 09:28
Lee
When I find time I'm going to look at HAL's cash flow and attempt to carve out the revenue related solely to the Iraq war.
In the meantime consider what crude oil prices have done since 2003:
http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/Historical_Oil_Prices_Table.asp
Drilling and service activity have surged internationally since then and HAL has captured much of that business because it is the preeminent services firm in the industry.
6. Posted by HughS | June 15, 2008 2:00 PM
Posted on June 15, 2008 14:00
Halliburton has enjoyed a direct benefit from their pals in the White House in the form of bid and no-bid contracts -- but the instability created in the middle east as a result of the liars in the White House has provided side benefits as well -- by boosting the fortunes of the oil companies (witness the record profits) and those industry partners such as Halliburton's drilling subsidiaries.
You can't subtract the oil exploration from the profits just because it isn't flowing to Halliburton in the form of tax dollars. The tax dollars are the most egregious example of Cheney's dealings, but they aren't the only way Halliburton has benefited from their past (and some say future) association.
7. Posted by Lee Ward
| June 15, 2008 2:40 PM
Posted on June 15, 2008 14:40
Lee and Steve,
KBR Government and Infrasrtucture generated 231mm in income on revenues of 4.782 billion in 2007;350mm in income on 5.262 billion in revenue in 2006;354mm in income on 5.880 billion in revenue in 2005. An average of 5-6% to the bottom line.
KBR was spun off into an independent company in 2007.
In comparison, HAL currently brings in excess of 20% to the bottom line today without KBR. HAL clearly made a "killing" in its traditional offield services business and not in the KBR G&I business (which returns were immaterial to their overall business). Hence its stock rose in spite of the poor results of KBR G&I.
8. Posted by HughS | June 15, 2008 3:27 PM
Posted on June 15, 2008 15:27
Thanks for the data and research. As I wrote earlier, the instability in Iraq has benefited most all of the companies involved in the oil exploration arena - and I assume that "offield" is a typo and you were referring to "oilfeield".
This report recently surfaced, but the Republicans in the White House are keeping a lid on it until after the election.
Halliburton is showing a small margin, but the full extent to which Halliburton has profited has yet to be fully discovered -- and won't be revealed unless there is a change in Washington.
John McCain guarantees us more of the same.
HAL(KBR) is one of the top contractors in Iraq, and would have been at the front of the line of companies.
"Unusually only Halliburton got to bid - and won."
Thanks, Dick! Anyone who thinks Cheny won't personally profit from this deal isn't paying attention.
9. Posted by Lee Ward | June 16, 2008 11:16 AM
Posted on June 16, 2008 11:16