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More of the Same Republican Lies

The Republicans are lying again, America.

Republicans will do anything, including lie repeatedly, to stay in power.

So why does the McCain-Palin campaign continue to hype her role in killing the Bridge to Nowhere? Because many politicians tend to get into the habit of exaggerating their accomplishments, especially when their claims can't be easily rebutted.

But this is one that can be readily shown to be overstated. Reporters keep showing that it is. So why continue along this path?

One obvious reason is that the McCain-Palin team has made it such an important part of her biography that they dare not back away from it now.

The other would be that somewhere in the McCain-Palin campaign is the belief, shared with Lincoln that you can indeed fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time.


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Comments (21)

nehemiah:

Lee,

You sound awfully angry about a matter where one can change one's mind. Palin did refuse the bridge (as well as the private jet, the chef, etc.). In fact, it helps to look not only at this one incident, but her whole philosophy in regard to government spending -- she spent 80% less in expenses than Murkowski (R) did the previous year.

It also helps to look at Obama's records with regard to earmarks. Is your position that as long as you don't oppose earmarks, that you can have super heavy usage of the process and remain blameless? He averages a million a day in what he took.

Plus, lots of credibility you have . . Just this morning, when I made an earnest and fair plea to play the game fair, to have a fair election this time, you belittle it. Great, I know now that as long as votes get counted for the Democrats, you will choose to look away from illegal votes. But it's then hypocritical to pretend someone else was hypocritical about the bridge.

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

It's not about positions, it's about reality.

Palin's state has the highest per capita earmarks of any state in the union - and that's true under Palin's term of office.

So quit the bullshit, nehemiah - Americans simply aren't going to put up with more Republican lies.

And I'm not running for Presaident, you putz, Sarah Palin is - so when Sarah and John lie about the Bridge to Nowhere -- it matters.

Steve Crickmore:
Obama hasn't asked for any earmarks this year. Last year, he asked for $311 million worth, about $25 for every Illinois resident. Alaska asked this year for earmarks totaling $198 million, about $295 for every Alaska citizen.

and a US Today article Alaska 1st, Ariz. last in pork spending`

This is the one area that McCain seems fairly consistent (good for him), but signs on many military bills with lots of earmarks. Of course no one seriously takes on excessive spending by the US military,(not even Obama), that would be political suicide.

Tim:

Let's see - a state that physically is twice as large as Texas (that means highways have to be really long) along with a relatively low population. Of course the per capita number is going to be way up there.

nehemiah:

Lee and Steve -- you're like Biden and Obama (you can fight over who gets to be Obama -- we understand).

Could you Steve, since you're so good at arithmetic, please do a calculation comparing the earmarks per squre mile (Alaska vs. Illinois)?
I wonder why Obama did not ask for any earmarks this year? Was it because he was voting "present"? Or because he's running for president -- yeah, that counts for "executive experience".

Lee Ward:

Earmarks per capita (or per taxpayer) is a much more relevant measure than sqaure miles - lol

And Sarah Palin has the highest earmark per capita ratio in the nation!

Yeah, change - riiiiiiight.... just more Republican bullshit.

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

Mi>"This is the one area that McCain seems fairly consistent (good for him)"

Yes, he has been consistent -- which makes the lies that the McCain/Palin campaign is telling about Palin's earmarks understandable. Palin really dirtys up McCain's record, so they've decided to just lat out lie about it.

nehemiah:

Stupid ass,

Who says per capita is more relevant than squre miles? You the retard?

What if it's a PHYSICAL project tied to geography as many earmarks tend to be???

Asshole, quit your bullshit and just do the fucking calculation.

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

Why not count trees, or Moose?

Citizens are the only relevant measure. Sarah Palin grabbed more earmarks per capita this year than any other state in the union.

And I think you owe us an apology for your foul-mouthed behavior here, nehemiah. Cough it up, quick.

John S:

I wonder why Obama did not ask for any earmarks this year?

Ahh... because he hasn't entered the Capitol Building in nearly two years? Obama had been a Senator for 141 days when he started running for president.

nehemiah:

Lee,

You're right. My post was in bad taste and ugly. I'm sorry about my last post.

Baggi:

Lee, I think you're being a little bit loose with the word Lie here.

For example, you wrote above:

"And Sarah Palin has the highest earmark per capita ratio in the nation!"

Really?

How many of those Earmarks for Alaska did Sarah Palin ask for as opposed to the congressman and senators for Alaska?

The following statement you made is accurate:

"Palin's state has the highest per capita earmarks of any state in the union - and that's true under Palin's term of office."

But the first statement I posted up there is inaccurate. Alaska might have the highest, thanks to Ted Stevens, but not thanks to Sarah Palin.

No worries Lee, I won't call you a liar. You're just wrong.

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

Sorry, Baggi - but I'm accurate and you're not.
link

As she introduced herself to the nation Friday as the Republican vice-presidential candidate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin touted her record as a reformer who worked to end the "abuses of earmark spending in Congress."

But earmarks have never been a dirty word in Alaska, a huge state dotted with small communities that have enormous dollar needs for sewers, roads and other projects.

Instead, earmarks -- pet projects that members of Congress fund but that no federal agency has requested -- have become a mainstay of political life here, and one that Palin embraced from early on in her career as a mayor of Wasilla to the governor's mansion in Juneau.

Just this year, she sent to Sen. Ted. Stevens, R-Alaska, a proposal for 31 earmarks totaling $197 million -- more, per person, than any other state.

So Palin sends the earmark requests to her pal, Slimball Stevens, and then you want to tell us these are Stevens requests - and not Palin's fault?

This reminds me of the guy who was here yesterday claiming the hockey rink was completed by Wasilla Mayor Palin under budget and on-time -- even though Palin left office before the project even broke ground. Man, that was a pile of bullshit just like this one...

Hey - that bullshit was your bullshit too, Baggi.

So what gives, Mr. B - yesterday you were bullshitting us about Palin finishing the hockey rink on time, and today you are bullshitting us saying these are Stevens earmarks and not Palin's fault.

Why are you repeatedly lying, Baggi - and when are you going to stop? Give me a good excuse, please - I want to believe you...

Baggi:

Lee, let's review.

You wrote above:

"Palin's state has the highest per capita earmarks of any state in the union - and that's true under Palin's term of office."

This is seperate from

"Palin has requested the highest per capita earmarks...." Your original assertion was inaccurate.

Lee wrote:

"So Palin sends the earmark requests to her pal, Slimball Stevens, and then you want to tell us these are Stevens requests - and not Palin's fault?"

Not at all. You're confusing people by mixing apples and oranges. First, you're taking requests and then pretending like those requests are approved and recieved, and then further acting on that information to say that it compares to other states who have actually received earmarks.

Your accusation, i'll quote you again:

"Palin's state has the highest per capita earmarks of any state in the union - and that's true under Palin's term of office"

Is only true if she actually received those earmarks she "requested" via Ted Stevens and that is only working off the assumption that this information is accurate, which i'm not convinced of, considering the media's recent track record concerning Governor Palin.

Lee wrote:

"This reminds me of the guy who was here yesterday claiming the hockey rink was completed by Wasilla Mayor Palin under budget and on-time"

Let's see what I actually claimed....

Baggi wrote:

"A job that got done and got done under budget (Where do you ever hear about that in government?) is a failure for Sarah Palin?

Boy, you all must be scrambling."

As all can see, I never claimed anything of the sort. Instead, I read the article provided by Lee which said that the job got finished under budget and on time. Somehow, Lee was claiming this job was a failure for then Mayor Palin.

Those jobs which are done on time and under budget are my kind of failures!

Again, i'm not going to accuse you of misrepresenting what ive written here Lee. I'm sure you have nothing but good intentions. Instead, i'm going to assume that you've merely read into what ive written and not been level headed in your analysis.

So let's review.

The job Sarah Palin had started as Mayor, which you accused her of as a "hockey rink screw-up" was completed on time and under budget.

And, you cannot compare apples to oranges, in this case, what Governor Palin has requested for Alaska vs what other states have received. So, until we can compare apples to apples, IE: What all other 49 Governors have requested or what Alaska has actually received under Governor Palin vs what the other 49 States have received, you really don't have much here.

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

You're right, Baggi - Palin has the highest per capita earmark requests of any nation in the country.

But you dispute that Alaska also has the highest per capita earmarks on the basis of...

Is only true if she actually received those earmarks she "requested" via Ted Stevens and that is only working off the assumption that this information is accurate, which i'm not convinced of, considering the media's recent track record concerning Governor Palin.

you think the media is lying, so you just declare it not true.
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Aso to plain and your claim that she finished the job on time and on-budget, yu lied when you wrote:

Lee, you asked:

"Larry and Baggi - show us the evidence that Palin finished the project on time and on budget. If you can't produce it then we can only assume you guys are just plain making this crap up."

It's in the very article you cited (and linked to). Third paragraph from the bottom. Didn't you read to the end?

And it isn't Baggi - the article does not state that Palin finished the job on time and on-budget. That's your lie.

and that makes three times that you've repeated the same lie, despite repeated opportunities to set the record straight.

So I'm going to ask you again, Baggi, one last time - why are you still repeating that same lie, that Palin finshed the hokey rink on time and on budget?

The article you claim says that she did does not say that -- so why are you still lying?

Baggi:

Wow, just wow!

I wonder how many Governor's have done what Sarah Palin has done concerning Earmarks:

Palin actually reduced the state government's requests for special projects this year to 31 earmarks totaling $198 million, about $295 person, in the wake of President Bush's demand for a cutback in earmarks.

The state government's earmark requests to Congress in her first year in office exceeded $550 million, more than $800 per resident. But there's only so much Palin could do with state bureaucrats used to a free-flowing spigot of federal dollars from Washington.

''I have championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress,'' Palin said in her vice presidential campaign trail debut last week.

That's amazing!

Can any other Governor in the nation say that they reduced their States Earmark requests by more than 50%?

Just wow!

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

Yeah, when you're the fattest pig in the land reducing 50% is easy.

Baggi:

Lee,

I told you, in the article, third paragraph from the bottom.

"All I can say about the sports complex is that it was done on time and under budget,"

and


It was done legally, and for someone else to say it could have been done differently in a better way, that's strictly their opinion"

You can go to the article if you have trouble finding those two quotes and type in Edit ---> Find --->>> It was done legally ---> then hit your Enter button and it should take you to the bottom of the article where that is written.

Baggi:

Lee wrote:

you think the media is lying, so you just declare it not true.

Two things that are wrong about this.

1) I do not think the media is lying nor did I say that they were. I think the media wants to get the story first rather than accurate. They have a long track record of this, so i'm suspicious. The information may be entirely accurate.

2) I did not declare anything to be untrue. Instead, what I wrote was:

Is only true if she actually received those earmarks she "requested" via Ted Stevens and that is only working off the assumption that this information is accurate, which i'm not convinced of, considering the media's recent track record concerning Governor Palin.

I'm starting to think after some of the reading ive done, inspired by you Lee (Thanks!) there is a lot more to this Earmark process than just the Governor putting in requests.

From what ive read it looks like the different bodies from Alaska, Congress, Mayors, Senators, politicians of all types, submit their requests through the Governors office. Then it is the Governors job to cull the requests down to something more reasonable. Then those requests are sent to Washington and they either get the money, some of the money, or none of the money.

Which makes what she did rather brave and incredible. She cut the Earmarks requests more than in half. Youzza!

Lee Ward:

Apprently you're pathological, and can't stop yourself from lying.

Palin was out of office before the project broke ground, so your statement that she finished the project on time and on budget is a lie.

You've been offered several opportunities to correct your lie, and apparently you can't. You just keep repeating it and pointing to words in the article that indicate the project was finished on time.. long after Palin left office.

So Palin did not finish the job on time and on budget, Baggi.. but you're finished here. Cya.


Lee Ward:

Palin was mayor of Wasilla from 1996 to 2002 [Wikipedia]

Palin served two terms on the Wasilla, Alaska city council from 1992 to 1996, then won two terms as mayor of Wasilla from 1996 to 2002.

According to the City of Wasilla website, the hockey rink/sports complex opened two years after Palin left office.

The City of Wasilla opened the doors to its newest facility, the Wasilla Multi-Use Sports Complex on March 6, 2004.

Baggi apparently took the title of this blog post - "More of the Same Republican Lies" - as an invitation to tell more of the same Republican lies.


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