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"Joe the Plumber" New Poster Child for Right Wing Lies?

Poor babies. Republican bloggers just can't get a break these days. Their candidate lost the last and final presidential debate, receiving a sound thumping from Obama last night, but the embarrassment doesn't stop there. It turns out the new right wing poster child is just another right wing faux controversy, as transparent as the rest of the lies they're telling these days.

Some interesting facts (which still need to be verified) about Joe the Plumber are starting to surface:

Joe the Plumber isn't registered to vote.

Joe the Plumber doesn't make $250,000. Not only will Joe the Plumber not see his taxes rise under the Obama tax plan, he'll get a tax cut.

Joe the Plumber's Dad is a big-time Republican donor.

Update: Joe the Plumber isn't licensed. He says he doesn't need a license since he works for a residential plumbing contractor who is licensed.

So when Joe was talking this morning about the new jobs that he hopes come in a result of his new found celebrity status, he was talking about working without a license?

I can't help but wonder if Joe "freelances", as many tradespeople do, and perhaps even gets paid under the table. Since he doesn't have a license, it doesn't sound like he's all that serious about establishing his own business.

McCain in last night's debate: "Joe, you're rich, congratulations!" McCain complains that Obama wants to raise the taxes for Joe the Plumber, but Joe the Plumber makes far less than the $250,000 that would put him in a higher tax bracket under the Obama plan. Joe the Plumber will actually get a tax cut under Obama's plan. Priceless!

So you're not rich yet, Joe, but you'll be doing a lot better under Obama's tax plan than you will under McCain's...

And Joe the Plumber won't be fined for Health Care as McCain lied stated in last night's debate after all. Ouch!

When McCain was railing about how unfair Obama's tax plan was to "Joe the Plumber" it was just more Republican bullshit. What a surprise.

Here's the full context of the Joe the Plumber and Barack Obama's "spread the wealth" exchange:

Lorie Byrd at our sister site Wizbang is busily shrieking (my, my she's so angry these days) about "liberal talking points" surrounding the lies the right wing is telling about Joe the Plumber.

Let's look at what John McBush said last night, direct quotes from the debate:

McCain: And I will not have -- I will not stand for a tax increase on small business income. Fifty percent of small business income taxes are paid by small businesses. That's 16 million jobs in America. And what you want to do to Joe the plumber and millions more like him is have their taxes increased and not be able to realize the American dream of owning their own business.

FACT: Joe the Plumber admitted this morning that he makes a whole lot less than $250,000. So, in fact. Joe the Plumber will not have his taxes increased.

And let's pause here to look at something else McBush said:

You were going to put him in a higher tax bracket which was going to increase his taxes, which was going to cause him not to be able to employ people, which Joe was trying to realize the American dream.

FACT:: The tax rate is currently 36 percent and would increase to 39 percent uner Obama's tax plan.

At 36 percent Joe can buy the business and realize the American Dream,but at 39 percent poor old Joe is going to be denied the American dream and will not be able to employ people.

Bullshit. More right wing lying bullshit.

But wait, there's more...

McBush's next lie:

McCain: Now, my old buddy, Joe, Joe the plumber, is out there. Now, Joe, Sen. Obama's plan, if you're a small business and you are able -- and your -- the guy that sells to you will not have his capital gains tax increase, which Sen. Obama wants, if you're out there, my friend, and you've got employees, and you've got kids, if you don't get -- adopt the health care plan that Sen. Obama mandates, he's going to fine you.

FACT: Under Obama's health care plan small business are exempted from the type of penalties McBush is describing, and he knows that. This has come up before. McCain is just plain lying...

Ms. Byrd proceeds to call liberal bloggers who are exposing these right wing lies as "idiots. Tsk tsk, Lorie - telling the truth and standing up to the right wing liars is a patriotic move, and you stooping to these kinds of lies and attacks is so -- well, Republican of you.

Haven't you noticed that America is tired of you angry white folks yelling about terrorists and socialism?

Haven't you noticed the hundreds of press reports exposing the lies behind John McCain's attack ads?

Do you really think these kind of angry, angry outbursts are productive?

One theory is that the Republicans are trying to get their base so fired up that they will actually show up and vote on November 4, so you can expect angry outbursts like this to continue. All they are doing is insuring that more and more independents move over to Obama in my view.

And The New York Times exposes more of McCain's lying ways in last night's debate:

So will Americans who are in business for themselves have to pay more taxes if Mr. Obama is elected, as Mr. McCain asserted?

According to figures compiled by the Small Business Administration, there are fewer than six million small businesses that actually have payrolls. The rest are so-called nonemployer firms that report income from hobbies or freelance work done by their registered owners, earning as little as $1,000 a year.

Of these, according to a calculation by the independent, non-partisan Tax Policy Center, fewer than 700,000 taxpayers would have to pay higher taxes under Mr. Obama's plan. But even some of these are not small-business owners in the traditional sense; they include lawyers, accountants and investors in real estate, all of them with incomes that put them in the top tax brackets.

So are there "millions more like Joe the Plumber," as Mr. McCain contended? Probably not. Mr. Obama may well have been correct when he stated that "98 percent of small businesses make less than $250,000."

So the angry John McCain bellows about "millions more" and the actual number is somewhere under 700,000, many of whom are lawyers probably making lots more than $250,000, and who probably don't employ anyone else, working instead as sole practitioners.

Reality catches up the right wing liars again...


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Comments (20)

Allen:

While it's not confirmed yet, Joe the Plumber is related to Charles Keeting, of the Keeting 5. If true, I wonder how the people over at Wizbang will spell that out?

I watched the whole debate, and the first thing I noticed that McCain wasn't wearing a flag pin. THAT MEANS HE IS UNPATRIOTIC, because that's what the GOP spin machine said about Obama.

McCain's body language spoke volumes about his pent up anger. It's surprising he could control it.

But like I've said before, with the voter caging, electronic machines, anything is possible.

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

lol. With that haircut I figured Joe the Plumber is related to Mr. Clean.

Joshua:

Of course he doesn't make 250k - but he wants to, you idiot. And Obama's simpleton-socialist economic plan will keep him from doing that, as well as over-taxing him if he does, along with preventing him from hiring more plumbers in his small business. Look up the word "disincentive" and you will find a photo of Barack beside it. Your childish pseudo-Marxism has failed everywhere it's been tried, and thanks to solid Americans like Joe the Plumber, we won't have to relearn that lesson here. Try reading a book sometime (one not authored by a bearded dead guy named "Karl").

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

And so far I've found absolutely nothing that confirms the wild rumor that Joe the Plumber is Bob the Builder's gay lover....

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

"Of course he doesn't make 250k - but he wants to"

We all want to, eh? And he'll have a better chance of owning that business if Obama is elected. Joe the Plumber is one of the many millions who will benefit from the Obama tax plan.

If fact, if Obama's tax plan was in place 10 years ago, the chances are much improved that Joe the Plumber would own his business now -- not wishing he could own it. Instead, Bush and McCain are giving the rich the tax cuts...

and Joe's not even registered to vote? Sad... but I guess after 8 years of Bush the prospect of having to pull the lever for McCain is just too disgusting to bother spending 90 seconds filling out a voter registration card?

I'm sorry, but if you're seriously expecting Americans to feel sorry for folks making $250,000 a year you're seriously deluded... but keep trying.

Mike:

Joe the Plumber has spent 15 years busting his A** to be able to purchase a business and make over $250,000 a year. Obama wants him to pay higher taxes to "help out" those who haven't made it yet. Who's to say those being helped will EVER make it? Joe will pay his higher taxes and pass the expense on to the customer. Those of us getting a tax break from the all powerfull Obama will be able to spend that extra money on higher costs for goods and services passed down by those who pay the taxes (Obama's rich people). What if its not enough? What if Obama's grand plan for the new United Socialist States of America costs too much? EASY, lower the number of the "rich" to $100,000 or $50,000. After all its your Patriotic duty to give the fruits of your labor to those who have not or will not earn it for themselves.

DaveD:

Well, Mike, Lee would not be able to comprehend your points about personal initiative and hard work because he, himself, was given this site by the folks at Wizbang. He did not start it on his own. A handout so to speak from a more conservative group of people.

It also allows him this:
"And so far I've found absolutely nothing that confirms the wild rumor that Joe the Plumber is Bob the Builder's gay lover...."

A level of intellectual discourse for which he would ban anyone else. Of course if he writes it he thinks it's clever.

Aaron:

can anyone tell me how many of the 95% of people who get a "tax break" under Obama pay taxes? A good portion of the 95% will get money back they never pay into the system. This is "welfare" without calling it welfare. In some areas of the US 250K is not a ton of money. In fact they could be called Middle America. Why don't we tax people depending on where the live. If you live in LA, you can make 350K before you get hit with Obama tax. On the other hand if you live in state with cheap housing prices you will get taxed more at 75K. I suppose people would think that is unfair.

Lee Ward:

"If you live in LA, you can make 350K before you get hit with Obama tax. On the other hand if you live in state with cheap housing prices you will get taxed more at 75K. I suppose people would think that is unfair."

Income tax pegged to the cost of living makes some sense to me too, but drawing the geographic lines where the tax rates change might be extremely difficult.

Kev:

Oh good grief, Joe the Plumber is looking to bu the small business he works for which does make over 250k. And as for Obama's "tax cuts" why don't you just friggin call it WELFARE since so many don't even pay income tax and yet they'll get a check cut thanks to those who DO. Oh, and any thoughts on what Joe the Plumber's employees who get laid off because of the tax increases will do? Plumbers, as well as many other trades, require people to put in X amount of hours before they can become licensed, or a Master. No work, no career path. Oh, but they'll get a check, right? Like Mitt Romney said last night, most Americans would much rather have a job than have a check from the government.

Lee Ward:

"A level of intellectual discourse for which he would ban anyone else. Of course if he writes it he thinks it's clever."

I suspect if I wrote that in a comment on Joe the Plumber's blog and he found it offensive he'd probably ban me from commenting because he felt insulted, just as I ban commenters here who troll and hurl insults...just like most any other self-respecting blog, including Wizbang.

Your commenting privileges here are just that, a privilege. Feel free to disagree -- no one has ever been banned for disagreeing, despite your lies to the contrary, DaveD, but vomiting insults will get you banned faster than you can say "Bob's my boy friend." Capiche?

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Lee Ward:

"And as for Obama's "tax cuts" why don't you just friggin call it WELFARE since so many don't even pay income tax and yet they'll get a check cut thanks to those who DO."

Now tell me who's going to complain about this?

The low-income people receiving the checks? Nope.

The middle-income people who are also receiving tax cuts. Nope.

Just the top 5% of the earners and then only some of them will complain. So we're talking about.. what? 3% of Americans ? 2% - and many of them make millions, not just $250,000. So you and McCain are fighting for the 2-3% of Americans who don't want to pay higher taxes? And those are people who are voting for McCain anyway.

Go ahead and beat this dead horse for a week or two - I'm not sure it'll help in the polls.

"Oh, and any thoughts on what Joe the Plumber's employees who get laid off because of the tax increases will do?"

Joe the Plumber doesn't have any employees - he makes a lot less than $250K -- the right wing is selling you a bill of goods, Kev. But let's pretend for a second that Joe actually does have employees - why would he lay them off? If you lift up the lower and middle class, the upper class Joe the Plumber will benefit from a booming economy. Lots more folks will remodel their kitchens and baths if they are doing better, and that's the difference between Obama and McCain's tax plans.

Sure, Joe, lay off emnployees, then turn down work when the booming economy has more people needing a Plumber's services - that makes sense.

Its a plan that will get this economy back on track.

Allen:

Lee, it is confirmed that Joe the Plumber is related to Keeting, and Joe's dad is a big spender when it comes to donations to the GOP.

But you are correct, most small business do not make 250K. They may gross more than that, but the net income is under 250K.

The GOP is hurting, and instead of giving the American taxpayer clear & concise information about what they are going to do, nope. Just business as usual. The GOP always spouted off about smaller gov't, less spending, etc. Just take notice of what has happened since the Shrub took office. What happened from 2000 to 2006? Need I say more?

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

Are you serious about the Keating connection? I thought you were joking when you wrote that earlier.

NABNYC:

The last time I called a plumber out to my house, he drove up in a big expensive van covered with catchy slogans, ripped holes in the pipes then told me it wasn't his fault, it was probably some other plumber that caused the problem, left my whole place swimming in crap, and robbed me blind. Typical Republican.

spring texas:

Joe the Plumber is a fraud, a keating relative. A 3% tax increase on those making about 250K, equals about 8.3 thousand dollars. It barely covers their bottled water usage. Know the facts before you embarrass yourselves.

Allen:

Lee, ref #14. I wasn't kidding, and it's the truth. He is also not, NOT a license plumber, and is a plant by the GOP.

Everyone should wake up to one big fact: the GOP are on the ropes, and they will try, use anything they can to divide the American people more than they already are.

AND BE VERY SCARED OF THE VOTER CAGING that is going on by the GOP, AND BE VERY SCARED about the electronic voting machines rigged for the GOP.

Wake up, McCain and the GOP can still steal this election unless people start questioning all this voter caging crap.

Average Joe:

This story takes the cake! Joe made about 40k last year, didn't pay his taxes, is not a plumber, is not a registered voter, and the company he works for made about 100k last year. I can't believe that he is the poster child for my party and our response to Barack Obama.

As a republican I really feel that my party needs to be a bit more skeptical and a lot less gullible. We are not the party of the average Joe or the working man (we employ the working man), we are the merchants and corporate leaders of this country.

As a Republican I believe in fiscal responsibility, job creation, strong defense, patriotism, and everyones right to the American dream.

This whole Joe the Plumber routine is extremely transparent and as a Republican I want other Americans to know that our party is not being represented by the true base.

The evangelicals and the neocon's have hijacked it and hopefully when we get our *&$%# handed to us this election by the Dem's you will see us return in the next election cycle as the original GOP (paleoconservative).

So if you are a democrat I would suggest that you savor this election (we certainly did everything we could to give it to you) because the Grand Old Party will be back.

As for Joe the fake everything (plumber, taxpayer, entrepreneur) all I can say is:

What were you thinking you knucklehead?

Allen:

Ref #18. I have to agree with you. Due to the crooks in office, the only parties that mean anything is the Demo's and the GOP. That way the crooks can keep us divided, screw us, and every so often the other party gets the White House.

Every American wants less gov't, smaller gov't,less taxes, fiscal responsible people that we elect to office. But that doesn't happen, and the reason is that with just two major parties, and the only difference between them is the R or the D behind their names.

They work for other people, not the American taxpayer. Only when the taxpayers wake up to this, maybe things will change. I honestly think, and I hope I'm correct in this, Obama may be the one to get this country back to a Republic, which we used to be, but lost to special interest buying off our elected critters.

AND WE ALL LET THIS HAPPEN.

calhr:

In some areas of the US 250K is not a ton of money. In fact they could be called Middle America. Why don't we tax people depending on where the live. If you live in LA, you can make 350K before you get hit with Obama tax.

Posted by: Aaron | October 16, 2008 11:19 AM
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Wow, making $250K a year is considered Middle America now? Go figure. I guess making $50K a year and supporting a family of three in Northern California makes me the "working poor".


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