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Gay Community Hopes To Rock The Nation With Massive Saturday Protests

As an angry response to the narrow victory by the antiGay marriage forces in California with Proposition 8, the nation's Gay community is planning to rock the nation with massive Saturday protests. Progressive organizations such as MoveOn.Org which contributed $300,000 towards defeating the measure are urging their 4.2 million contributing members to support efforts to reverse the measure in California, most likely by the state Supreme Court. A number of citizens are complaining that the wording of the measure was confusing, and when some voted "yes" they thought they were voting in favor of Gay marriage and not against it. But it is unclear whether this will be enough to rule the vote invalid or not. Many ballot measures often use confusing language, but have been ruled as valid or constitutional in the past.

The Mormon Church which was actively involved in the "yes" on Proposition 8 campaign, putting around $22 million dollars into the effort is likely to face many of the Saturday protests both in California and nationally. Interestingly, while the Mormon Church did very little to denounce breakaway cult member Warren Jeffs and his illegal polygamy or child marriage, the Mormon Church instead put a huge effort into the antiGay measure claiming that it was important to the defense of traditional marriage, even though polygamy was once an official church teaching. All of this serious hypocrisy as well as so much Mormon money going into funding the antiGay measure has only galvanised support to hurt the Mormon Church with protests or financially to punish their hypocrisy on the marriage issue.

But a major problem for the Gay community in California was that despite a huge 61% vote win by Barack Obama recently, perhaps as much as 70% of both African American and Hispanic voters might have voted for the antiGay measure. The problem is that these ethic communities simply do not view their own civil rights struggles as comparable to the civil rights struggle of the Gay community. So far, the level of acceptance for the Gay community has been far stronger among the White community, where even many Republicans voted against Proposition 8 in California.

The real problem for America's Gay community is that they haven't really sold their case to many Americans yet. With weak support in ethnic communities such as among the African American as well as Hispanic communities, it is really up to the Gay community to better sell their struggle issues to these communities as well as the larger population. And any protests planned for Saturday need to be absolutely peaceful and legal, as any illegal or violent activity will only hurt the cause of the Gay community to sell their case to America as well.

The fact of the matter is that the nation's Gay community really need more time to sell their case to America. Younger voters tend to be far more supportive than older voters as a rule. However. the real hopeful sign is that most antiGay elections tend to trending more closely divided and less lopsided than only a few years ago. If anything that is sign that at least some progress is being made in the efforts of America's Gay community to make their case for equality to mainstream America. But whether Saturday's planned protests will really help to advance the Gay community cause is still a question to be asked.


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Comments (14)

Allen:

What would really help all the gays is all those GOP politicians that are still hiding in the closet come out in the open.

Hi Allen. Well, it's a socially conservative party where "coming out" isn't at the top of the list of a party that often kisses at the feet of the James Dobsons or Tony Perkins.

But at least America's Gay community can take some aspect of positive feeling that they are slowly gaining respect, more civil rights, and even the thought of Gay marriage would be unthinkable a few decades ago. That's not too bad for their community. And it's nearly as dramatic as the African American community which went from some being murdered in Mississippi for merely attempting to register Blacks to vote in 1963 to winning the White House in 2008.

What is also disturbing is that some Mormons are being to forced out of their jobs because of their support for Proposition 8, so that this discrimination may cause many Mormons real financial harm now. And some acts of violence against churches has been in the wake of this vote as well. The Gay community needs to show restraint to educate the public, and not go too far and hurt their cause with a few isolated acts that cross the line.

tongancat:

Paul,

I am very saddened by this situation. I hate the fact that there are extremists on both sides of this issue. I know that the violent protestors do not represent all gays, anymore than those who call gays ugly names like pervert and pedophile do not represent all those who believe traditional marriage must be preserved for the benefit of society. I feel that some clarification on the facts of this situation is needed.

The FLDS church broke away from the LDS church approximately 120 years ago. I don't feel it is fair to hold them accountable for the FLDS problems with polygamy or child brides. Were the Lutherans held accountable for the pedophile Catholic priest scandals? Did the other Catholic breakaway churches denounce that problem loudly enough? The LDS church has a very strong stance against child abuse of any kind, and excommunicates any members who practice polygamy.

Also, the LDS church did not donate 22 million to the passage of prop 8. The members of the church donated it, not the church as an institution. Were the members encouraged to donate their time and money to the effort...yes, and I am sure this was true of all the churches that supported the measure.

On a side note, many sites have forwarded the idea that Utah mormons invaded California to support prop 8. While there were some who traveled there, it was not widespread. There are some 700,000 mormons living in California. It wasn't necessary to import them on a large scale.

I would also like to know if you feel the proponents of gay marriage are justified in vandalizing the LDS chapels and temples? What about the mailing of at least two envelopes with 'white powder' in them. Do you consider this to be domestic terrorism? If not, why not?

Tongancat, certainly any acts of political violence are akin to domestic terrorism. But the truth is that some extremists will punish the LDS community with violence or job losses because tensions are now so high right now and they have become most closely aligned as the targets for these extremists. And this isn't good. It's also illegal as well.

I ran a controversial very liberal bookstore in a neighborhood with a strong LDS church in the neighborhood, and many at the church didn't like me. But then I hired a slightly handicapped member of their church to work for me, even though he was a conservative Republican, because he needed a job and I needed help, and then the church members grew more tolerant of me. I don't care where people worship or what their politics is myself.

I think that the problem is simply that American society as a whole is still not ready for Gay marriage, and that they needed more years to find more acceptance for their community. Otherwise, it will take the wisdom of the California Supreme Court to rule that some basic freedoms cannot be stripped from the state's constitution by a mere majority vote.

Bill:

The reason hispanics and blacks voted in the majority for Prop 8 is their religion. As a wise man once said- "it is impossible to reason people out of affiliations they have not been reasoned into".

Lee:

The Mormons pushed millions into California in the final 2 weeks preceding the election:

"We're going to lose this campaign if we don't get more money," the strategist, Frank Schubert, recalled telling leaders of Protect Marriage, the main group behind the ban.

The campaign issued an urgent appeal, and in a matter of days, it raised more than $5 million, including a $1 million donation from Alan C. Ashton, the grandson of a former president of the Mormon Church. The money allowed the drive to intensify a sharp-elbowed advertising campaign, and support for the measure was catapulted ahead; it ultimately won with 52 percent of the vote.

As proponents of same-sex marriage across the country planned protests on Saturday against the ban, interviews with the main forces behind the ballot measure showed how close its backers believe it came to defeat -- and the extraordinary role Mormons played in helping to pass it with money, institutional support and dedicated volunteers.

The "people" didn't decide, the Mormon Church decided, then spent enough money to buy the outcome in their favor.

Another serious problem for the Mormon church is that they are a controversial faith to begin with, where many Christians and Americans in general probably consider them to a cult or even a false religion. And these image problems, coupled with some wacky personalities like breakaway cult member, Warren Jeffs, as well as the ultraright wing views of some LDS church members put this church in a bad position to be blamed for things, especially when many members help to bankroll controversial legislation like Proposition 8. Somewhere in this church someone needs to be concerned about their public relations.

Unfortunately, when most Americans think of the LDS faith, they don't always think about that Democrats like Harry Reid or the two Udalls in the senate also exist who are LDS members. And that's also unfortunate. It's only the far right of this faith and their political leanings or the cultists like Warren Jeffs that most often come to mind for most Americans.

Mike:

Lee and Paul, I think you're both missing the big picture regarding gay marriage.

So far, 30 states have offered state questions defining marriage as a union solely between a man and a woman. Every single one of those initiatives has passed, with a cumulative margin of victory approaching 70%.

This fact has nothing to do with the Mormons or with the Catholic church. Pre-election propaganda campaigns, regardless of their origin, simply aren't capable of delivering that kind of response.

The percentage of Americans who are comfortable with seeing marriage corrupted by the radical homosexual agenda is no where near a majority. We should just face that fact and move forward from there -- preferably in a manner that does not involve mob violence.

GarandFan:

Election is over. Fuck 'em.

"The "people" didn't decide, the Mormon Church decided, then spent enough money to buy the outcome in their favor."

So do I get to throw a bitch because Obama collected all that money?

Money doesn't vote, people do. Unless, of course, you throw ACORN in there, but that brings us back to Obama.....and quite possibly George Soros money.

I'll bet you're saying "that's different". More Democratic 'nuance', aka bullshit.

RFA:

As an angry response to the narrow victory by the antiGay marriage forces in California with Proposition 8

Your idea of a narrow victory differs from mine. For all you Mormon bashers why don't you bash the blacks and hispanics who supported Prop * far and away in greater numbers than the Mormons did.

Mormans won't fight back but the blacks and hispanics will kick your ass for getting in their face.

I'm not impressed.

CaliforniaGold:

If Prop 8 passed by a "narrow" victory, then Sen. Obama won by a "narrow" victory as well, yet I don't see anyone saying that. Be consistent, not illogical!

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

Obama won 365-162 - a landslide victory.

That's 69%-31% - a royal butt-kicking by any measure.

Younger voters tend to be far more supportive than older voters as a rule

Younger voters also tend to be far more liberal than older voters. However, the passing of time does not stop and these young liberal voters, invariably grow older, and many become more conservative in their outlook.

You have little ground to stand on if you believe that the attitudes to gay marriage are immune to a similar life-cycle. The only test of this hypothesis is to allow this younger generation to grow older and to measure their attitudes as they enter their period of family formation. Look, we see the same dynamic with young single women being very liberal and yet we find that many married women tend to become more conservative as their life circumstances change.

The "people" didn't decide, the Mormon Church decided, then spent enough money to buy the outcome in their favor.

Oh yeah? I guess the American voters, including citizens, non-citizens, those who are alive and those who are dead, didn't decide to elect Senator Obama, his campaign outspent Senator McCain and the magnitude of Obama's spending bought the election outcome for him. Right?

Lee Ward[TypeKey Profile Page]:

"You have little ground to stand on if you believe that the attitudes to gay marriage are immune to a similar life-cycle."

I disagree. Racism and discrimination and biases don't necessarily form with age. I meet lots of 60 year old born-again hippies. Bias forms at an early age and tends to disappear with experience.


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