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Conservatives, Skinheads, and the KKK

What do they have in common? Members of these groups are banned from entry into Britain.

The government published a blacklist on Tuesday of people recently banned from the country including a Hamas lawmaker and a Jewish extremist, as well as anti-gay protestors and a far-right US talk show host.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she decided to publish the "name and shame" list -- which identifies 16 people banned since last October -- for the first time to clarify what behaviour Britain will not tolerate.

"I think it's important that people understand the sorts of values and sorts of standards that we have here, the fact that it's a privilege to come and the sort of things that mean you won't be welcome in this country," she said.

"If you can't live by the rules that we live by ... we should exclude you from this country and, what's more, now we will make public those people that we have excluded," she told the GMTV broadcaster.

The extremism that seems to be running rampant among the far right wackos is the red flag, putting right wing extremists in with some interesting company:

Between October and April the Home Office excluded 22 people for "fostering extremism or hatred" included preachers Abdullah Qadri Al Ahdal, Yunis Al Astal and Amir Siddique, said a Home Office statement.

Hamas MP Yunis Al-Astal, Jewish extremist Mike Guzovsky, former Ku Klux Klan leader Stephen Donald Black and neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe are also on the list, as is controversial radio host Michael Alan Weiner, also known as Michael Savage.

Others blacklisted include homophobic US pastor Fred Waldron Phelps, as well as Artur Ryno and Pavel Skachevsky, former leaders of a violent Russian skinhead gang which committed 20 racially motivated murders.

Skinheads and conservative extremists; birds of a feather:

Smith said: "The government opposes extremism in all its forms and I am determined to stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country.

"This is the driving force behind tighter rules on exclusions for unacceptable behaviour," she added.

They don't think they're extreme - they'll tell you it's the rest of the world that's gone too far left, leaving them clinging to their sinking lifeboats of outdated morality and hate.


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Comments (19)

Bunker:

The funny thing is, if the Brits bothered to read the stuff you write they would probably put you on the list as well.


Lee Ward:

The conservative ones might -- not the normal Brits though. We're in agreement that Savage and Phelps are the scum of the earth.

Mac Lorry:

The fact that William Ayers, an unrepentant terrorist, is not on the list puts more shame on Britain than being on their list is shameful. Same for Ward Churchill not being on the obviously politically motivated list.

If it's ok to put anti-gay protestors on a blacklist for exercising their freedom of speech rights under the U.S. constitution, then it must be ok for others to put gays and moralphobic protesters on their blacklist.

Lee Ward:

Ayers is a respectable professor in Chicago? Why would he be on the list?

AJ:

Terrorism is respectable, as long as the terrorist is a liberal. See, different rules apply. Get used to it, Mac.

Lee Ward:

Ayers was tried, convicted, and paid the price.

There's no reason why he should be on this list. He's not a terrorist now, despite Wacko Diva Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber saying he is.

They're liars.

Mac Lorry:
Ayers was tried, convicted, and paid the price.

If that were true I would agree with you that he shouldn't be blacklisted. The Federal government botched the case and Ayers was never tried. Even then I would say the system was at fault. However, Ayers says his only regret is that he didn't bomb enough. That puts him on the unrepentant terrorist list, but I guess in the liberal mind it's ok to bomb government buildings if you don't agree with the government.

Lee Ward:

You're right - the government dropped all charges against him

My, what hardened criminal - yeah, he should be blacklisted - just look at his conviction, uhm I mean - exoneration.

Mac Lorry:
My, what hardened criminal - yeah, he should be blacklisted - just look at his conviction, uhm I mean - exoneration.

Ayers has admitted to the bombings and even said he regretted not doing more bombings. That's hardly exoneration.

carol:

Lee, Lie all you want, but Phelps is a DEMOCRAT. Just because he hates gays doesn't mean that he's a Republican.

When you use Phelps as an example of a "republican" you lose all credibility.

Oh, and how did I know before even clicking on the link that this was written by Lee?

carol:

"My, what hardened criminal - yeah, he should be blacklisted - just look at his conviction, uhm I mean - exoneration."

Just how is "charges dropped" due to problems prosecuting it "exoneration"? He said words to the effect of "guilty as sin, free as a bird. Isn't America great?" He admitted it, so just how was he "exonerated"?

Steve:

Lee, you are really floundering lately. Better start doing some fact checking before you spout off. To say as obvious fact, "Ayers was tried, convicted and paid the price" without even the basic knowledge of the case and to then call it "exoneration" when you are called on it is simply unbelievable! You are so quick to call others (not ALL others, just Republicans) liars and always so concerned about the impressionable people who are undoubtedly being misled by the liars, and here you are on a respectable website spreading misinformation (some would say "lies" - but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt knowing you are a blind, knee-jerk partisan who probably depends a bit too much on Democrat talking points). But really, who can blame you for not being informed about Ayers and his background (beyond the fact that he is a "respectable professor") when the mainstream media did such a bang-up job over the last year of downplaying his terrorist activities and the sad reason he isn't rotting in a jail right now as he deserves.

Lee Ward:

Phelps is a gay-hating social conservative. I never said he was a Republican.

Ayers should be rotting in jail? Why? In the American judicial system it takes a judge to put someone in jail.

You right wing extremists are getting wackier and wackier.

Mac Lorry:

Here's a excerpt from the Telegraph

Now we learn that Savage may sue the Home Secretary for defamation. He said he was outraged that he had been named alongside hate preachers and a member of Hamas.

He said: "For this lunatic Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary of England, to link me up with skinheads who are killing people in Russia, to put me in (the same) league with mass murderers who kill Jews on buses is defamation."

But who is she to make that decision? While it is the job of the Home Secretary to ensure the security and safety of the nation, it is not for her to decree what we should hear and to whom we should listen.
Steve:

"Ayers should be rotting in jail? Why? In the American judicial system it takes a judge to put someone in jail."

What?? I'm simply saying he should have been convicted and should have spent some substantial time in a jail cell for his CRIMES.

Lee Ward:

And all I'm saying is, regardless of his admissions, it takes a judge and jury to put Ayers in jail.

So no - without a trial - he should not be rotting in a jail cell.

Feel free to wish for a trial. Wishing for an innocent person to be in jail (and he's innocent until proven guilty by a jury of his peers) is not very American, now is it?

ke_future:

i'm disappointed in britain. to me, this is really a free speech and ideas issue. britain is basically saying: "we don't like what you are saying, so you can't come here and say it" people should be allowed to speak their minds as long as they are not doing something immediately harmful, such as yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater. yes, i know that isn't the rule everywhere, but it should be. in my opinion.

i've always been a big believer in that the answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not the suppression of it. if the only way for you to win an arguement is to stop the other person from speaking, you need to take a step back and re-evaluate your position. in each of the cases above, there are better ways of of combating what the other has to say than just shutting them up.

the problem with suppression of speech is that it becomes a political game. who ever is in power inevitably tries to suppress the speech of their political opponents. even if their initial targets really are saying bad things like the skinheads and the nut case that pickets funerals. it's just one tiny, slippery slope away.

how would you all feel if Al Gore was denied entry into some country because of his views on global warming? or a gay marriage advocate because of their views on marriage? or a womens right's activist?

Doubting Thomas:

Gotta admit, Ke - I've got some serious qualms about head-hackers... but I don't see religiously motivated murder as being 'free speech' so I agree with your point. The answer to speech you disagree with is more speech... in rebuttal, refutation or reasonable argument.

Reagan:

Hmmm. What an intellectual problem we have here.

Innocent until proven guilty and all that beautiful rhetoric re: ayers and lee's wwwblowjob on a terrorist he doesn't know.

When someone PROUDLY confesses to any crime (let alone crimes of sedition or something more heinous like TREASON), what do we do?

I guess he was waterboarded?

Go ask him. He will say he did everything he was accused of and that he didn't do enough.

He has said it for years. iN pUBLIC.

Go ask him. You should be able to get an audience (or at least an interview) with your wizblue credentials. Since you defend him so rabidly, you must be able to actually talk to the man.

That might be the wiser step versus blindly CHAMPIONING him. Before you stand for him, see if he would stand for you. He confesses to everything he is accused of. And wishes he'd done more. Go ask him.


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