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Paul Hooson:

Opposition to abortion might be an official Catholic teaching. However, Mr. Obama won a majority of Catholic votes and Catholics tend to be more liberal than Protestants as whole, so probably only a few kooks will picket his speech, while the rest will be very respectful if not supportive of the president. His approval numbers by Catholics are high in the 60's according to Gallup as well. Catholics may not be quite as liberal as Jewish voters are as a whole, but they have traditionally been a fairly reliable Democratic group except in very recent years. But Obama has helped to bring them back.

Rich Fader:

Friendly observation for President Obama: When you come face to face with the Savior, and He asks you to account for your life..."I won" probably isn't going to cut it.

Mac Lorry:

The "I won" argument carries weight when the President is performing some official duty of his office, but giving a commencement speech is not one of them. Obama is treading on private ground where many people are offended by his support for abortion. However, the protest is not so much against Obama as it is against the administration of Notre Dame for their betrayal of honoring someone who's diametrically opposed to Church teachings.

Lee Ward:

Aside from the disagreement over abortion, President Obama isn't diametrically opposed to Church teachings.

That's just hateful lying on your part, Mac Lorry, triggered by your anti-abortion extremism.

Labeling President Obama as opposed to the Church's teachings -- isn't President Obama's position on abortion in line with the law?

Yes, and yours isn't.

That would mean you're diametrically opposed to the laws of the United States, Mac Lorry - using your own broad-strike, simple-minded anti-American extremist logic.

Why do are you diametrically opposed to the laws of your country, Mac?

Mac Lorry:
Why do you hate the laws of your country, Mac?

That's just hateful lying on your part, Lee, triggered by your pro-abortion extremism.

isn't President Obama's position on abortion is in line with the law?

No, Obama is on record for voting for a law that would allow a baby who survived an abortion attempt to be killed by neglect such as being thrown into the trash. Currently, women who do that are prosecuted for some degree of homicide. It's not a crime for Obama to express that opinion nor try to enact it into law.

The Church's teachings are currently diametrically opposed to U.S. abortion law, and that's what this story is about, not theft or other crimes. However, it's not against the law to express the Church's teachings nor try to enact these teachings into law, nor protest the President.

Lee Ward:

You oppose abortion and abortion is legal, Mac.

Using your broad-brush logic - that makes you opposed to the laws of our country.

You did say that Obama "is diametrically opposed to the Church's teachings" simply because he supports the law when it comes to abortions - didn't you?

Or was that some other anti-abortion wacko who puts their church tenets above the laws of our country? You all seem to act the same way sometimes.

Mac Lorry:
You oppose abortion and abortion is legal, Mac.

Using your broad-brush logic - that makes you opposed to the laws of our country.

Good grief Lee, you used to be smart; what happened to you? Having and expressing an opinion about any law is not against any law. In fact it's protected by the 1st ammendment, but you know that, so why are you perusing such a dumb line of reasoning?

You're pro gay marriage, but that's against the law in most states, so by your faulting reasoning - "that makes you opposed to the laws of our country."

Take the rest of the day off, have a meal and get some sleep so you can start thinking straight again.

GarandFan:

Guess trying to block someone's speech only applies when it's a conservative speaking? When did you post about left-wing nutroots blocking and threatening conservative speakers on college campus'?

........crickets chirping.................

drlava:


The ridiculous premise that a belief in the supernatural supersedes a woman's right to determine her destiny is so insane I hardly know how to respond.

Lee is right on target unless your belief in some spirit or ancient myth negates reality.

You simply can not argue freedom of person if your argument is based on imaginary tenets.

Millions of children die every year from preventable causes.......where is the outrage for that.

I would guess that every protester at the commencement tomorrow has their belief system chained to a belief in archaic dogma, a belief in spirits and a tenable at best understanding of ancient myth and superstition.

How can you argue with someone who has an insane belief in a cosmic deity?

ke_future:

let me state it clearly here: opposition to abortion is not an extremist view. there are legitimate reasons to be against abortion. and not all of those reasons are religious. some acts that anti-abortion activist have taken are, however, extreme. but that is the difference between holding an opion and taking action.

abortion is a complicated subject. if it wasn't, then roe v. wade would not have been decided on a 5-4 split. oh, and even liberal constitutional scholars have come to the realization that roe v. wade was bad case law.

the fact, lee, that you keep calling people who are opposed to what they view as the murder of babies extremist, just shows what an intolerant person you are.

Allen:

While I'm against abortion, I am all for a women having a choice over their bodies. They are the ones who will have to face our maker and explain, not you or I.

But why is it most of the GOP is against abortion, they were also against decent health care for children? Doesn't the GOP care about the child after it's born? Your actions speak louder than your words.

Lee Ward:

"the fact, lee, that you keep calling people who are opposed to what they view as the murder of babies extremist, just shows what an intolerant person you are."

I'm only referring to the extremists, ke - not all anti-abortionists are extremists.

I consider the single issue anti-abortionists extreme - those who would vote for Sarah Palin instead of a more moderate GOPer who might actually be competent but whose position on abortion isn't as hardline as Palin's - I consider that voter an extremist.

Certainly non-students who go to Notre Dame and protest the President making a speech are extremists.

I wouldn't consider Notre Dame students who protest "extreme" - and certainly everyone else who has a pro-life isn't extreme.

Extremists refers to the wackos, ke - you know who you are.

Fuc Ku:

Sore losers!!! Typical for extremist right wing fringe groups.

ke_future:

why do you consider single-issue anti-abortionists extreme, lee? is it just this one issue? or do you consider ALL single-issue activists to be extremists? and what about all those people who vote only for pro-choice candidates, regardless of any other issue. are they extremists too?

so palin is personally against abortion. big deal. i have yet to see anybody on the left actually produce any actual political action that she has taken that shows any kind of anti-abortion extremism.

so what about the left-side protestors who show up at conservative speaking engagements on campuses? are you willing to call them exteme as well?

are you implying that i am an anti-abortion extremist, lee? that would be very difficult for you to make stick since i've never actually stated my own opionion on the abortion issue. i've just taken issue with the way that you talk about people who are against abortion.

or are you just calling me a whacko because i call you out when i think you're wrong or are being particularly insulting?

Lee Ward:

Break it down...

"why do you consider single-issue anti-abortionists extreme, lee? is it just this one issue? or do you consider ALL single-issue activists to be extremists? and what about all those people who vote only for pro-choice candidates, regardless of any other issue. are they extremists too?"

I'd consider people who vote solely on the basis of a single-issue as "single-issue voters."

I consider people who intentionally get themselves arrested on the basis of a single-issue like abortion (or war or equality) as extremists, so someone who gets themselves arrested, in this example, are anti-abortion extremists.

Are you avoiding coming to grips with these pretty basic definitions because you don't like to think of yourself or others you know as "extremists"?

That would be understandable since for the last several years right wing bloggers have used code words like "Islamic Extremist" to describe mean nasty, single-minded people.

The realization that there are "Christian Extremists" bothers you?

Still coming to grips with the fact that the war in Iraq was a religious war against Islam? Is that what's got you down, Bunky?

"so palin is personally against abortion. big deal. i have yet to see anybody on the left actually produce any actual political action that she has taken that shows any kind of anti-abortion extremism."

Palin is supported by an anti-abortion extremist group that calls themselves "Team Sarah" - that name is a cover for the Susan B. Anthony group of anti-abortion extremists who use "Team Sarah" as a recruitment tool.

"so what about the left-side protestors who show up at conservative speaking engagements on campuses? are you willing to call them exteme as well?"

Depends on what they're protesting. Assuming they are protesting the war in Iraq, for example, I'd call them anti-war protesters. If they are getting themselves arrested protesting against a university-sponsored speech by the President of the United States solely on their opposition to the Iraq War then yes, I'd call them "Anti-war Extremists."

But you knew that already, didn't you?

ke_future:

umm, no lee, i'm not avoiding anything. i just wanted to know what you considered an extermist to be so that we were talking apples and apples. not every body uses the term in the same way. i don't think my definition would match yours, for instance. by your definition, Martin Luther King Jr was an extremist, by the way.

are there "Christian extremists? sure. Every self organizing group has their zealots. i've never said or thought otherwise. am i an extremist? maybe on some issues. i would be surprised if nobody was an extremist about at least one issue. am i what even you would consider an extremist on the issue of abortion. nope.

and conservative bloggers who use the term "Islamic Extremist" have been pretty clear who they mean: people who self-identify as Muslim who blow shit up and kill people. there aren't any code words in there, lee. it's all pretty up front.

i don't agree with your assessment that the war in Iraq was a general war against Islam, boy-o.

anti-abortionists support Palin. therefore palin is an anti-abortion extremist? care to defend that logic there, boy-o?

no, lee. i didn't know that. you have never written about any extremists on the left, so as far as i knew, you didn't think they existed. i'm glad to see that you recognize that your side has their share of "whackos" as well. but given your qualification there, then people who are pro-life who protest abortion, without the intent to get arrested, are not extremists in your view?

you never did say whether you thought i was an anti-abortion extremist or just a whacko because i generally disagree with you and call out when i do.

Lee Ward:

"Martin Luther King Jr was an extremist, by the way."

Absolutely! And that's not a bad thing. Our country was founded by extremists - those who rebelled and put it all on the line to make the world better.

You associate "extremists" with terrorists, but as we Democrats kept telling you conservatives, "terror" is a tactic used by "extremists", and acting like Christian extremists and attacking the nation of Islam was a stupid, stupid reaction.... but you didn't listen.

You social conservatives wanted your flag-burning amendments and your bans on gay marriages and your stem cell bans -- so you kept supporting the religious war in Iraq, foolishly taking the nation down the wrong path... and defending Exxons' obscene profits as if you really believed they were entitled to billions upon billions... anything to keep the Republican establishment in power.

"i don't agree with your assessment that the war in Iraq was a general war against Islam, boy-o."

Oh boy it most definitely was. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and the "GWOT" was a marketing smoke screen. You'll have a chance to retract that in the coming months as more is revealed about the Bush administration's efforts to punish the nation of Islam for 9/11.

Palin's sole support now is a "one-issue set" of anti-abortion social conservatives. In my book that makes her a one-issue candidate.

Palin -- her own daughter's recent birthing lays the entire conservative argument against planned parenthood and sex education to waste - it's such a delicious piece of irony, to have Palin on the ticket at a time when her 17 year old unwed daughter is pregnant.

What are your reasons for supporting Palin? I didn't call her an anti-abortion extremist recently -- to my recollection anyway -- why do you care about my views on Sarah Palin? Got a thing for hockey moms who sport $150,000 wardrobes?

ke_future:

you are a confusing person. you use the label of extremism to insult your political opponents and then you say that extremism is not a bad thing.

umm, no, you liberals kept saying that diplomacy should always be used and that violence is never the answer. the whole thing about acting like christian extremists didn't come out until after we invaded iraq if memory serves me right.

and i still disagree with your assessment that it is a religious ware. at least on our side. and while iraq had no direct connection to 9/11, they have had many connections to terrorist organizations over the years and were an active agent provacatuar in the middle east.

it is my firm belief that in order to have any kind of stability in the region, saddam had to be removed from power, and the only way to do that was through force of arms. i know you don't agree with me, but that's one of the advantages of living in the US. we can voice our disagreements without fear of ending up dead or in some torture chamber beneath a palace.

palin's support is not only from anti-abortionists. many small government and fiscal conservative types also support her. it's interesting that she is being framed as a social conservative radical by the left and in the media considering that she has never governed as such. you may never have called her an anti-abortion extremist. but every time you write about them, you bring up Palin. i can therefore only assume that you consider her one as well. if you don't, you might want to make that clearer.

why do i support palin? i'm not sure i do. i just don't think she is the caricature that you make her out to be. but, yes, i do have a thing for hockey moms. they rock. (disclaimer: i play recreational hockey)

i'm going to take a moment to clear something up for you, lee. you called me a social conservative.

You social conservatives wanted your flag-burning amendments and your bans on gay marriages and your stem cell bans -- so you kept supporting the religious war in Iraq, foolishly taking the nation down the wrong path... and defending Exxons' obscene profits as if you really believed they were entitled to billions upon billions... anything to keep the Republican establishment in power.

i'm not a social conservative. in fact, i am moderate to slightly to the left of moderate on most social issues. they just aren't what drive me. my issues are fiscal conservatism, role of government, and national security. and on those issues, we do disagree more often than not.

btw, did you know that Exxon's operating profits were apprx 10%? in most businesses that would be unacceptable. i'm sure paul could speak to this as well, but most companies have a target of ~20% operating profit. people call Exxon's profits obscene because of the sheer size of the dollar figures involved without really understanding the underlying business economics.


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