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Southern Baptist Official saysTiller's Murder Answer to Prayers

Bob Allen, senior writer for Associated Baptist Press reports:

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"I am glad George Tiller is dead," Wiley Drake, the SBC's former second vice president, said on his Crusade Radio program June 1.

Tiller, one of only a few doctors in America who still performed a controversial late-term procedure termed "partial-birth" abortion by critics, was gunned down in the foyer of Reformation Lutheran Church just after the morning worship service began. He was serving as an usher for the congregation, where he was a long-time member.

Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., called Tiller "a brutal, murdering monster" and said he is "grateful to God" that the physician is no longer around.

"There may be a lot who would say, 'Oh that is mean. You shouldn't be that way,'" Drake said. "Well, no, it's an answer to prayer."

Drake said he prayed nearly 10 years for the salvation of Tiller, medical director of the Women's Health Care Services clinic and an outspoken advocate for abortion rights. About a year ago, Drake said, he switched to what he called "imprecatory prayer."

"I said to the Lord, 'Lord I pray back to you the Psalms, where it says that they are to become widowers and their children are to become orphans and so forth.' And we began calling for those imprecatory prayers, because he had obviously turned his back on God again and again and again," Drake said.

Drake called Tiller "a reprobate" and a "brutal, arrogant murderer" who "bragged on his own website how many babies he had killed."

"Would you have rejoiced when Adolf Hitler died during the war?" Drake asked. "Or would you have said, 'Oh that is terrible for him to be killed'? No, I would have said, 'Amen, praise the Lord, hallelujah, I'm glad he's dead.'"

"This man, George Tiller, was far greater in his atrocities than Adolf Hitler," Drake said. "So I am happy. I am glad that he is dead.

Drake brings new meaning to the terms "Christian" and "Pro-life."

And where do Pastor Drake's politics fall? Reverend Drake endorsed Mike Huckabee in the 2008 Presidential election primaries.

"I believe God has chosen Mike for such an hour, and I believe of all those running Mike Huckabee will listen to God."

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Comments (11)

Paul Hooson:

That's a pretty regrettable statement by that Baptist official. One of the worst things to come out of that faith since it was first formed by wealthy Southern tobacco and cotton farming interests to embrace and justify slavery in the South.

Mac Lorry:

There are two extreme positions on when human life begins. At conception on one end and the other extreme is after the child is fully out of the womb and has taken it's first breath on its own. The first extreme position depends on Christian teachings, the second extreme position depends on a belief in magic. In all other cases in modern medicine a human life exists where there's significant brain activity that's either obvious or measurable by instruments. That scientifically defensible standard should be applied to the unborn, which means they are humans under the law some weeks before birth.

Only through the political process will the nation be able to move away from this and other polarizing issues. Courts decide issues based on arguments made before them as to how some issue applies to existing law. People may strongly disagree with those arguments, yet have no reasonable and lawful means by which to seek change. The political process, particularly state wide referendums, allow issues to be debated and then people vote. Each person votes their beliefs, which may or may not be based on defensible arguments, but it's their right to vote as the wish. When society's views change, the law changes through this process.

The supreme court should revisit the issue and apply current scientifically defensible standards to when an abortion is allowed. Beyond that point the court should put the issue back in the political process.

Just as the rights guaranteed by the 1ST and 2ND amendments are subject to "reasonable" restrictions applied through the political process, so too should the right to an abortion. In last nights interview on Fox, Dick Cheney said he's fine with gay marriage if it's instituted through the political process. That powerfully demonstrates the wisdom of letting the people decide issues through the political process even if the choice is limited to restrictions rather than being absolute.

So, who's to blame for George Tiller's murder? The Supreme Court of the United States for not allowing the political process to apply "reasonable" restrictions to abortion. That failure put George Tiller in a position where he was taking lives that only those who believe in magic don't see as human babies. The result was foreseeable and avoidable. How is it the supposed nine wisest among us are so blind?

Mac Lorry:

Sorry, wrong thread.

GianiD:

Have you libbies ever expended this much energy when a recruiting office was attacked, and someone got shot?


The world is a much safer place w/ Tiller gone, NO ONE can deny that.

He murdered 60,000 babies. Its a much safer place.

drlava:

Wow, in an unbelieveable feat of mental acuity, GianD was able to repeat here, what Sean Hannity just told him to think.

I just heard an interview with some of the nurses that worked with Dr. Tiller. They described some of the "babies" he has "murdered" recently. One without a brain, one horribly damaged by the mothers chemotherapy, and one fetus with a tumor growing inside it that was about to kill the mother. These women came from all over the world to have surgical procedures to terminate pregnancies that have gone horribly wrong.

Of course with people of very limited intelligence like GianD it is very difficult to to understand the tragedies that sometime occur in pregnancies.

Mac Lorry:
One without a brain, one horribly damaged by the mothers chemotherapy, and one fetus with a tumor growing inside it that was about to kill the mother.

The baby without a brain would be considered brain dead, so the "brain activity" standard would allow that abortion. The baby with the tumor could also be aborted under the "self-defense" clause nearly every legislative attempt at restricting abortion has included. The babe horribly damaged by chemotherapy was effectively aborted to save the mother's life. Legislative imposed restrictions would allow for such cases if given the chance.

So how many otherwise healthy near term babies did Tiller terminate? I doubt anyone will claim the total was zero. Only those who believe in magic see such babies as something other than human children. That was too much for one man to accept.

Lee Ward:

"Legislative imposed restrictions would allow for such cases if given the chance."

Actually, all of the abortions performed by Tiller were legal - at least I haven't heard anyone suggest otherwise.

drlava:

Mac,

Women from all over the world came to Tillers clinic because political and religious pressure forced doctors and hospital to refuse to do certain procedures that could result in picketing, loss of revenue or murder.

The nurses describe a 9 1/2 year old girl, raped by her grandfather, who's family didn't find out until it was too late. The growth of the baby was going to kill the girl and no doctor in Mississippi would terminate the pregnancy.

Mac Lorry:
Actually, all of the abortions performed by Tiller were legal - at least I haven't heard anyone suggest otherwise.

I'm not disputing that they were legal, nor is my primary concern with the specifics of the Tiller case. See Post #2.

The larger issue is how does this nation move forward and have a civil discourse about abortion? Isn't that what Obama says he wants?

Mac Lorry:

drlava,

Women from all over the world came to Tillers clinic because political and religious pressure forced doctors and hospital to refuse to do certain procedures that could result in picketing, loss of revenue or murder.

It's not just religious pressure. At 26 weeks gestation a fetus generally has brain activity of a level that, if an adult in a coma had, they would be considered alive and couldn't be unplugged from life support. To not extend the same protection to a 26 week-old babe is to believe some type of magic happens between that point and when the baby is fully out of the womb and breathing on it's own. People who don't believe in magic see late term abortions as murder unless there are mitigating circumstances like those you posted before. If the political system was allowed to work in restricting third trimester abortions to just those with such mitigating circumstances, far fewer people would object and the level of fear would decrease greatly.

Without a functioning political outlet, people who don't believe in magic can only picket, protest, and boycott what amounts of murder by any scientifically defensible view. In that environment some individuals commit horrific crimes believing they are acting in the cause of justice.

The Supreme Court should modify it's ruling so that it doesn't rely on religion nor on magic, but on scientifically defensible standards and leave room for the political process to work in regard to third trimester abortions.

pvd:

Lee: Thanks for the link to the post. I found the following in the same article that might temper the tone Drake projects.

The SBC's top ethicist condemned Tiller's murder. "Murdering someone is a grotesque and bizarre way to emphasize one's commitment to the sanctity of human life. People who truly believe in the sanctity of human life believe in the sanctity of the lives of abortion providers as well as the unborn babies who are aborted," Richard Land, head of the SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, said in a June 1 Baptist Press release. "Clearly the killing of abortion providers is unbiblical, unchristian and un-American. Such callous disregard for human beings brutalizes everyone."

During his June 1 radio show, Drake tried unsuccessfully to call several leaders in the anti-abortion movement before managing to contact Troy Newman, president of Operation Rescue.

"We're so close to the situation here in Wichita, and out of deference for the family that is grieving, no matter how brutal he was, he never really deserved to be treated like that," Newman said of Tiller.

It just defies the pro-life ethic to take human life," Newman said. "The pro-life ethic is that we honor and cherish human life, from the moment of conception to natural death. The only thing that can interrupt that would be a judicial decree by the magistrate, and it didn't happen in this case. This is vigilantism, where one man became judge, jury and executioner. It's horrible."

The mainstream pro-life movement is not celebrating Tiller's death. One idiot like Drake though provides enormous propoganda to the left.


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