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John McCain and Sarah Palin Legitimized Domestic Terrorism

The dialog over Dr. Tiler's murder continues, as exemplified by the Washington Post "ON FAITH" writers who refer to Tiller's murder in exact and correct terms, choosing the headline "Pro-Life Terrorism Leads to Murder."

Christian anti-abortion extremists who commit or condone murder are, in my view, just as much a terrorist as the Islamic extremists who committed their heinous acts on 9/11.

And the conservative, right wing extremists who commit and condone the murder of law-abiding American citizens are, to a significant extent, standing on the shoulders of the Republican party leadership. In addition to Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and their like who are constantly promoting hate, the recent presidential elections saw the top rung of the Republican party leadership doing the same thing.

2008 Republican nominees John McCain and Sarah Palin gave terrorists and terrorism an air of legitimacy by repeatedly referring to President Obama as a person who "pals with terrorists" and therefore, by extension, inferring that President Obama supports domestic terrorism and domestic terrorist acts himself.

What's wrong with domestic terrorism if the President of the United States 'pals around with terrorists?' Why not fight 'fire with 'fire'?

We now see that this kind of cheap rhetoric (in the case of Obama palling with terrorists, McCian and Palin told outright lies) can lead to results that may indicate the first signs of a Christian extremist jihad against centrist and left-leaning political beliefs.

Sunday, it was an abortion doctor. How long before homosexuals are murdered 'in God's name"?

Words have consequences, and the words of John McCain and Sarah Palin, in my considered opinion, contributed to the murder of a law-abiding American citizen. It's time for them to take a leadership role in speaking out against the Christian jihad which seems to be forming in America.

But don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. The religious right wing politics of hate never backtracks -- it's always moving forward, planting the seeds of hate and waiting for the day that those seeds will bear fruit.

Those seeds bore such fruit the day Dr. Tiller was murdered, and more will no doubt follow.


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DaveD:

"Christian anti-abortion extremists who commit or condone murder are, in my view, just as much a terrorist as the Islamic extremists who committed their heinous acts on 9/11."

I don't believe you could find one sane person who would disagree with you on this statement, Lee.

I went back to the web site: On The Issues, which discussed policy positions of candidates in the 2008 federal election.

For Palin on abortion one finds:

Use my daughter Bristol as a teaching tool for others. (Oct 2008)
Constitution does offer an inherent right to privacy. (Oct 2008)
Abortion should be states' issue, not federal mandate. (Oct 2008)
While mayor, Wasilla charged rape victims for rape kits. (Sep 2008)
Rejected sympathy for Down's Syndrome son, as gift from God. (Aug 2008)
Opposes embryonic stem cell research. (Aug 2008)
Every baby is created with a future and potential. (Aug 2008)
Safe Haven bill: allow surrendering newborns without penalty. (Feb 2008)
Adoption is best plan for permanency for foster care kids. (Oct 2007)
Pro-life. (Nov 2006)
Choose life, even if her own daughter were raped. (Nov 2006)
If Roe v. Wade got overturned, let people decide what's next. (Oct 2006)
Opposes use of public funds for abortions. (Oct 2006)
Pro-contraception, pro-woman, pro-life. (Aug 2006)
Only exception for abortion is if mother's life would end. (Jul 2006)

Her positions are well documented and in no way seem to condone violence as a means of regulating the abortion industry.

I cannot tell from week to week whether you want this woman to go away or you want her to be very visible so you can build another thread around her.

Mac Lorry:
Words have consequences, and the words of John McCain and Sarah Palin, in my considered opinion, contributed to the murder of a law-abiding American citizen. It's time for them to take a leadership role in speaking out against the Christian jihad which seems to be forming in America.

So how do you feel about religious bigotry?

Allen:

The anti abortion movement has been using the "deaths of the innocents" as the argument to keep a woman from having the control of her own body---that the protesters enjoy for themselves. They will go so far as to advocate the killing of the 'abortion providers' as a method to control the behavior of those who would offer services to a woman who exercised the control over her body that the anti abortion movement would deny her.

I always find it interesting that the most vociferous 'protectors' of neonatal life are male! Wonder how many unpaid child support payments they have ignored? They are woman-haters, pure and simple! Someone should do some research on the good Christian people who kill in the name of Jesus! I bet it would be interesting!

What these "Talibangelicals" do in Jesus' name has nothing to do with Jesus or anything he taught. They worship a loathsome idol that they've created in their own image. These people are anti-woman. That's what it's all about for them. Abortion is just the excuse.

Mac Lorry:
I always find it interesting that the most vociferous 'protectors' of neonatal life are male! Wonder how many unpaid child support payments they have ignored? They are woman-haters, pure and simple! Someone should do some research on the good Christian people who kill in the name of Jesus! I bet it would be interesting!

There's been four killings of abortionists in 16 years, yet you would use that sparse sample to smear Christians with a broad brush. Is that not religious bigotry?

Also your contention that it's a woman's body was scientifically disproved over two decades ago. The scientifically defensible standard for when human life begins is when there's significant brain activity, which occurs at about 26 weeks gestation. Only a belief in magic allows the ignorant to claim it's not a human child being aborted past that point. Yes, it's legal, but so was slavery even in the face of reason that people of all races are equally human. True progressives are on the side of updating the abortion law to match the scientific reality, yet on this issue I know some who as stuck defending the status quo against all reason.

ke_future:

allen, you are so wrong about what drives the vast majority of the pro life movement. but that doesn't surprise me. the left constantly caricatures adn dehumanizes their opponents.

why don't you actually look into why people oppose abortion? did you know that most of the people who oppose abortion also oppose euthanasia and the death penalty? did you know that many of the most active pro-life activists are woman? including the original Roe?

it's a culture of life issue for most of them, not a hate woman thing or a control thing.

can you actually argue against their view on the sanctity of life? seriously, if you thought that life began at conception, wouldn't you oppose abortion except in the most serious of situations?

are there extremists in the pro-life movement? absolutely. i don't think anyone would ever deny that. but there are extremists in nearly every group or ideology. should we condemn all environmentalists because of the actiosn of ELF? should we condemn all leftists because of the actions of the Weathermen?

certainly there are some groups whose very ideals should be shunned and rebuked. racists like the KKK for example. but that's not what we are talking about here. we're talking about a movement that for the vast, vast majority of it's followers is about protecting life. at all stages. especially the lives of those who cannot advocate for themselves and have no other advocate

the truely ironic thing is that i don't consider myself particularly pro-life. nor pro-choice. i'm the typical squishy american on this issue. but i at least have looked into the issue and can respect where both sides are coming from.

DaveD:

"They worship a loathsome idol that they've created in their own image. These people are anti-woman. That's what it's all about for them. Abortion is just the excuse."

Allen, I mean really..........

With any ideology there are extremists and lunatics. I am sorry that biology is the way it is that a developing fetus has to be carried for some time within the body of it's mother. For me I cannot advocate legislating what a women can do with her body whether she is a prostitute or whether she is a potential mother. On the other hand I think late term and partial birth abortions are subjects for legitimate moral debate. I do not know how to reconcile my feelings that morality should not be legislated but a stable society requires a strong moral bearing.

Your particular characterization of Christians in the antiabortion movement suggests about yourself exactly what you accuse these people of. You write that their stance on abortion is merely a masquerade for a more deep seeded hatred. I suggest your attacking antiabortion Christians in the manner you do is also a cover for other issues you have. No matter how you parse the situation, when you perform a late term abortion you are terminating a life that has undergone sufficient development to survive outside the womb with proper - and not necessarily in this day and age extraordinary -medical care. There is no doubt that it is the termination of an innocent life. So I think that side of the argument is valid. Now, it is your job to counter why that innocent life may be terminated. You probably say because the mother is still carrying it. Fine. And it is clearly legal under existing law. There was one time when slavery was legal. Most abolitionists were Christian and there are very few people who would consider this practice morally acceptible today. There was a time when women could not vote. Most prominent women in the early suffrage movement were against abortion.

ke_future:
2008 Republican nominees John McCain and Sarah Palin gave terrorists and terrorism an air of legitimacy by repeatedly referring to President Obama as a person who "pals with terrorists" and therefore, by extension, inferring that President Obama supports domestic terrorism and domestic terrorist acts himself

this makes no sense, especially since most of those "pals with terrorists" comments were doing the campaign. and how they were intended to de-legitamize obama. seriously, lee, you need to take some logic and rhetoric classes or something if you want to be able to pull off crap like this.

you're making leaps of logic where there is no logic. "What's wrong with domestic terrorism if the President of the United States 'pals around with terrorists?'" you ask? again, people who were making the comments were saying it was bad that obama was associating with Ayers, not that it was okay.

they way that you spin and twist everything to make republicans, especially palin, out to be evil extremists makes my head hurt. give it up, save us all a bunch of headaches, and just admit that you are a hater.

Allen:

Ke, believe it or not, I am not in favor of abortions. But I do believe a women has the right to make decisions concerning her body. Do you agree that a woman should make decisions when it pertains to her body? If not, then explain why you should be able to.

ke_future:

allen, i think you posted your comment on the wrong tread. i'll reply over on the abortion thread to your questions.

ke_future:

or not...i'm just confused this evening. and this thread took a tangent. oh well, more sleep needed for me...

in response to your question, i do believe that a woman, or any human being, has the right to make decisions regarding their own body. i never claimed that i wanted to make choices for other people, nor that i should.

but.....

at what point is an abortion no longer just a decision about the woman's body, and when does it also become a question of the child? is it at conception? is it when you can differentiate the fetus? is it when there is brain activity? is it when the baby can survive outside of the womb is medical assistance? is it when the baby can survive outside of the womb without assistance? or is it at birth? if you can answer that question with certainty and authority i would be surprised.

this is a very tricky moral and ethical question, and the root of much of the abortion debate. i do not claim to know the answer to it. i don't know if anybody does.

if i've given a muddled answer, that's because this is a muddled issue.

Christian anti-abortion extremists who commit or condone murder are, in my view, just as much a terrorist as the Islamic extremists who committed their heinous acts on 9/11.

This statement doesn't make sense, and I will tell you why. First off, abortion is the cessation of a life- and those who cease the life are ending this life(no matter how you feel about choice...one life is ended for choice).

Regardless of laws(as we know often that many are overturned at some point)-so your statement is excluding heinous acts far more numerous than 9-11, as more than 4500 abortions occur daily in the US.

I condemn abortion. I find it repugnant that I can feel relief for those who would have died even this day by the hands of Tiller, well sad. But it is a real emotion of joy that he cannot end one more pregnancy based on the mother's mental health(which is what is claimed on the majority of late term abortions he had performed).

As to this confused moral issue that many may say is above their pay grade, I suggest that one ponders this. An infant that is born into the world is not able to take care of itself for many years. So this idea of viability is ludicrous.

And the most dangerous place for an American to be in the US(especially a black American), is in the womb- it is around 66% of all black pregnancies that end in abortion. Talk about the ultimate in controlling one race over another...where is the outcry? Where? Well no where because we instead are to weep for those who end thousands of lives, and pretend that we do not know when life begins. Funny, how absolutely low our education has become that we don't know.


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