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The "Why Isn't Sanford Resigning?" Quote of the Day

An InsiderAdvantage poll of South Carolina voters taken June 25th has half the SC electorate supporting resignation, and 45 percent supporting impeachment:

Half of South Carolina residents say GOP Gov. Mark Sanford, who admitted to an extramarital affair on Wednesday, should resign from office, according to a new InsiderAdvantage poll.

The survey, conducted just hours after the governor's emotional press conference at the statehouse, found 50 percent of South Carolina voters want him to resign while 42 percent said he should remain in office. Another 8 percent had no opinion.

Voters were nearly evenly split on the question of whether Sanford, who left the state for five days to visit his mistress in Argentina but deceived his staff and the public about his whereabouts, should face impeachment by the state legislature. Although 45 percent supported impeachment, another 46 percent were opposed. Nine percent had no opinion.

If the poll was conducted "just hours after the governor's press conference" it was taken before it was revealed that Sanford used taxpayer money to squeeze his honey.

Another June 25th poll by SurveyUSA has 60% of South Carolinians calling for resignation, and 34% saying he should stay in office.

Friday June 26, 2009, a Republican cites Sanford's hypocrisy:

Glenn McCall, a South Carolina representative to the Republican National Committee, cited Sanford's past criticism of President Bill Clinton's infidelity to accuse him of hypocrisy and said Sanford should resign. Even RNC Chairman Michael S. Steele told a Detroit radio station Thursday that Sanford is "yet one more disappointment in failed leadership."

(Friday June 26, 2009 a.m.) it's a triple:

Mark Sanford "is not a creep," said Bonnie Fuller in The Huffington Post. The South Carolina governor is "one of those rare politicians undone by something that's not actually salacious -- pure, romantic love." Sanford isn't doing his state -- or his wife of 20 years, or his four "precious sons" -- any favors by sticking around. He should resign, and jet off to be with the woman he loves, Maria Belen Chapur, in Argentina.

It doesn't look that's Mark Sanford's plan, said Ben Pershing in The Washington Post. The governor is acting like he wants to employ the classic politician's technique for surviving a scandal -- "change the subject as quickly as possible, and restore some semblance of normalcy." So Sanford is returning to work and telling the media to move on.

That might work if Mark Sanford's biggest sin were his "acknowledged sexual indiscretions," said Louis Jacobson in National Journal. But the man "went AWOL from his gubernatorial duties" to visit Maria Belen Chapur in Argentina, and didn't tell anyone where he was going or how to reach him. Sanford abandoned his state, and that is why powerful politicians in South Carolina say he has to resign.

Thursday June 25, 2009
What they said:

If you can't honor your marriage vows, how can you expect voters to trust you to honor your damned oath of office?

Who said it? Michelle Malkin


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Comments (23)

& I agree with her.

Mac Lorry:

As I said yesterday on the main site, Stanford should resign as Governor. His infidelity demonstrates a lack of trustworthiness and the deception about his whereabouts and the use of state money call into question his honesty. Regardless of party affiliation, the issues facing this nation are too serious for the public to suffer fools holding political office. The message needs to be strong and clear to all politicians that the public demands trustworthiness, honesty, and professionalism from it's elected officials. Anyone who can't live up to that simple standard need not apply.

J.R.:

listen, if the guy did something illegal or even improper in his role of governor in trying to cover for his affair he should resign. I would like to see the details of what he did to cover his tracks, bottom line, a governor just doesn't get to leave without notice.

If all he did was have an affair then there is no way he should have to resign. He may want to so he avoids the constant public scrutiny, but he shouldn't have to.

Allen:

Mac, I agree with on that. But what do you think of the elected critters that yell about family values, and then get caught doing the opposite?

I have never seen any elected crook with a (D) after their name say anything about family values, but the ones with (R) after their name sure yells about family values.

I'm sure we can all agree that every elected crook is a crook. But when one party spouts off about family values, and yes I asked Kim to explain those family values, she couldn't do it. Can you explain the GOP family values?

And yes, the (D)'s have their crooks also, but the (D)'s don't try and tell people what they should do in the privacy of their bedrooms like the )R) do.

Do you remember "cold cash Jefferson?" Did he spout family values? What about Foley, diaper Vitter, toe tapping Craig? They supported the so called family values BS, and we know what they did.

Why do the (D)'s have gays serving in Congress, and yet the (R)'s still have a whole bunch serving that are in the closet, and those SOB's are concerned with your family values???

Those family values are good sound bites to some people, because they are too stupid to realize what is going on! Over 75% of the people realize just how stupid the (R)'s are when they spout family values.

pvd:

Allen:

And yes, the (D)'s have their crooks also, but the (D)'s don't try and tell people what they should do in the privacy of their bedrooms like the )R) do

No, the Democrats just tell people they have to tighten their belts - then take a plane trip to New York for a show with their wife;

or, tell us to conserve - then build a 28,000sf house that sucks energy.

or, tell us to trust public schools - then put theirs in private schools.

or, tell us it's patriotic to pay taxes - then appoint scores of people that haven't.

or, tell us it's patriotic to pay taxes - then forget to pay the taxes on their Caribbean hotspots.

or, tell us of the horrors of big business - then join the Friends of Angelo club.

or, tell us...

crap, it could go on forever.

But, hey, we have to focus on the sex. If the people ever focus on what is happening daily in D.C. - stuff like this

Mac Lorry:

Allen,

Mac, I agree with on that. But what do you think of the elected critters that yell about family values, and then get caught doing the opposite?

Cheating on your spouse is a failure in trust. A politician being trustworthy transcends "family values" whatever those are. Who would knowingly vote for an untrustworthy politician regardless of their party?

I have never seen any elected crook with a (D) after their name say anything about family values, but the ones with (R) after their name sure yells about family values.

Someone should define what "family values" are. Certainly Democrats don't ascribe the idea that they have no values.

Can you explain the GOP family values?

I'm not sure. Maybe it means you value the things that families value such as good schools, safe streets, tax deductions for kids, family leave for having a baby, you know, all the things that help parents raise the next generation of law abiding productive citizens. Without that next generation of law abiding productive citizens our society would cease to exist, so it's very important to be successful. There are also limited resource available, so those resources should be reserved for procreation type couples.

And yes, the (D)'s have their crooks also, but the (D)'s don't try and tell people what they should do in the privacy of their bedrooms like the )R) do

I don't think the R's are doing that anymore. If you are talking about same sex couples getting taxpayer benefits it's no longer a "in the privacy of their bedrooms" issue. It goes back to reserving taxpayer benefits for procreation type couples so that we get the next generation of law abiding productive citizens. As we have seen in California, a lot of people who vote Democrat understand the serious consequences of using limited taxpayer dollars for non-procreation type couples.

Why do the (D)'s have gays serving in Congress, and yet the (R)'s still have a whole bunch serving that are in the closet, and those SOB's are concerned with your family values???

The gays in the closet aren't asking for taxpayer money or trying to claim they are just as important to society as procreation type couples. I and most other conservatives don't really care what consenting adults do in private as long as they keep it in private.

Over 75% of the people realize just how stupid the (R)'s are when they spout family values.

That's why I have suggested on the main site that Republicans replace the nebulous "family values" with an enumerated code of conduct such as trustworthiness, honesty, and professionalism and enforce it within the GOP. That would force the Democrats to do the same. If "family values" is really about issues than they should explicitly define the issues and make their case.

pvd:

Mac,

I like your idea of a code of conduct especially if it has teeth. That we would need an enumerated code is a sad but separate subject.

Clancy:

I don't understand the controversy - it's just sex. Bill Clinton changed the standard a long time ago. I doesn't matter when it's just sex!

JLawson:

LOL.

Yep - the standard's been set. Time to apply it across the political board...

DaveD:

I also agree with Michelle Malkin.

Paul Hooson:

While the news of the affair was merely real foolish conduct, the news that Sanford used public funds to travel to Argentina for the the romance brings up ethical and legal questions and could that part could end his political career.

Lee Ward:

I now have a post up regarding Sanford's use of taxpayer money to see his honey.

GarandFan:

So, if I get this straight Lee, Billy Clinton should have resigned? Or would you kindly explain the 'nuance' as to why he shouldn't have?

Lee Ward:

Yes, Bill Clinton should have resigned.

pvd:

You know, a point in Lee's favor - if we enforced this standard across the board, we wouldn't need term limits.

Jay Tea:

I'm going to disagree. (Big suprise there.) Sanford should NOT resign over the affair, nor should Bill Clinton for his affair. We elect politicians, not saints. There is still room for some privacy in elected office.

Bill Clinton should have resigned for two other reasons: violating sexual harassment laws he himself signed by engaging in a sexual relationship with a subordinate over whom he had tremendous power, and lying about said relationship under oath.

Sanford, it appears, misused state resources in the furtherance of his affair. He's repaying that, and whether that is sufficient or not is up to his constituents. Not all crimes carry the death penalty.

He also showed he is ill suited for the job by flying off and, essentially, abandoning his job without notice. A few discreet words to the lieutenant governor would have averted the whole problem, but he put his own interests and concerns ahead of his duties. That is his right to choose so; perhaps others ought to help him keep that choice.

It's a bit of a shame. From what little I've heard, he was a fairly good governor.

J.

Allen:

I'm tired of the same ole white Republicans spouting that 'Family Values' crap when they don't practice what they preach. At least Democrats don't claim they have a hold on moral values and that is why I'm pissed. Spitzer went down. McGreevy went down. But Vitter and Ensign get applauded by fellow Republicans. WTF?

Lee Ward:

The republican party is struggling to hold onto the fragments of political sway they once held.

What they don't get -- fortunately for us democrats -- is that embracing racism and hypocrisy is the end result seen by the electorate through actions such as Sanford's trysts, the GOP in Tennessee's defense of blatant racism, and the SC GOP operative's racist remarks about Michelle Obama.

They can apologize -- and in the case of the Tennessee GOP ignore calls for action -- and they apparently don't see the fact that they are just digging the hole they're in further and further into the ground.

Does this surprise you? It doesn't surprise me at all... any ideology that embraces Rush Limbaugh is going to act this way in response to public exposure of their racism and hypocrisy.

Watching the GOP spiral down like a turd in a toilet bowl brings a smile to my face. :)

John:

Keep up the good work and open dialogue Lee.

I'm still waiting for an example of a corrupt, lying,Democrat being labeled a Republican on Fox, CNN or anywhere in the universe. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME? Sure it does .... As with most right wing comments, there are no facts to substantiate this lame claim. Only name calling and the use of fear or misinformation to further their sick agendas.
Sanford should resign for walking away from his job. They're all having affairs. Right wingers keep harping on the affair as the issue here. I could care less about his whore. He negelected his job and his state. Time to go.

Mac Lorry:
What they don't get -- fortunately for us democrats -- is that embracing racism and hypocrisy is the end result seen by the electorate through actions such as Sanford's trysts, the GOP in Tennessee's defense of blatant racism, and the SC GOP operative's racist remarks about Michelle Obama.

Unfortunately for Democrats, James Carville's catch phrase "It's the economy, stupid" is based on a fundamental fact the most voters vote their pocketbook before their ideology. None of the charges of racism or hypocrisy will make any difference if the economy is still in the tank in 2010 and 2012. Republicans only need to keep hammering the Democrats on taxing too much, spending too much, and borrowing too much. That strategy is already gaining traction.

If Democrats want to say in power they need to do three things. Fix the economy, keep the nation safe from another 9/11 magnitude terrorist attack, and don't get into a war with Iran or North Korea. A failure in any one of those areas will do for Republicans what 2006 and 2008 did for Democrats.

Mac Lorry:
I'm tired of the same ole white Republicans spouting that 'Family Values' crap when they don't practice what they preach. At least Democrats don't claim they have a hold on moral values and that is why I'm pissed.

After writing about it in post #6 I don't think "Family Values" is about moral issues. Cheating on a spouse is a failure of trust and is often accompanied by lies. Perhaps those are moral values but it's unlikely any politician who doesn't ascribe to them could get elected. "Family Values" then seems to be a set of issues that help parents raise the next generation of law abiding productive citizens, without which, our society would cease to exist as we know it. I enumerated some of those issues in post #6.

The point is that creating an environment conducive for creating the next generation of law abiding productive citizens costs money. "Family Values" only impinges on gay rights, such as marriage, because it diverts scarce tax dollars away from procreation type couples who are, with few exceptions, the source of the next generation of law abiding productive citizens. Thus, gay marriage can be opposed for financial reasons rather than moral reasons.

No doubt some oppose gay marriage and unions for moral reasons, which is their right, but that's not the only reason as I just demonstrated. Thus, the charges that someone is homophobic or a hater are based on ignorance of the financial reasons. Someone cheating on their spouse means they are untrustworthy and likely dishonest, but other than their individual failings, it has no bearing on the broader issue of marriage or gay marriage.

Doubting Thomas:

"If Democrats want to say in power they need to do three things. Fix the economy, keep the nation safe from another 9/11 magnitude terrorist attack, and don't get into a war with Iran or North Korea. A failure in any one of those areas will do for Republicans what 2006 and 2008 did for Democrats."

Mac:

Point 1 - I don't think they can. They're like doctors around 1800 - the only 'cure' they know is to bleed the patient and hope he recovers. But we're about tapped out on the blood supply, and the Waxman bill would simply open another vein.

Point 2 - If they're trying to keep the terrorists preoccupied through amusing them enough to keep them ROTFLaughing - then it might work. Otherwise? Sigh. I think it possible, not terribly probable, that we're going to have at least a modest attack here in the US. But you know, the way any attacks with the incorrect ideological mindset get played down (IE that muslim clown who shot two soldiers) - if something occured that WAS terrorism-related, I can see it being relegated to 4-th page news.

Point 3 - Iran's kind of busy now - but it won't be for long. The mullahs will need to consolidate power - and getting into a fight with the US would be one way to do it. NK sure seems to be spoiling for a fight, also - and I'm not at all certain what can be done to avoid them. If they're exporting atomic weapons to the highest bidder, that's got to be stopped even if it DOES precipitate a war. The question will be - does Obama have the stones to do what's needed?

SCSIwuzzy:

I dunno about CNN and Fox, but I know that Lee Ward has mislabeled the California legislature as being a Republican majority.

Usually when a Dem get in the news for naughty behavior the party affiliation if just left alone, or buried under the fold.


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